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1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

150,000 people die each day globally.

That's not right. Just under 375,000 have died. That would have taken less than 72 hours at that rate.

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1 minute ago, Grinch said:

Thats the point of the lock down if you're going with herd immunity and don't want the hospitals over run. 

 

 

Despite what they say about not planning for herd immunity, surely the only way out is between herd immunity and a vaccine? Unless people want to live like this forever. 

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2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Despite what they say about not planning for herd immunity, surely the only way out is between herd immunity and a vaccine? Unless people want to live like this forever. 


No one knows how long people will be immune though. Obviously people can’t stay locked up forever but there’s a massive gap between locking people up forever and basically abandoning the lockdown after ten weeks.


The furlough has been extended to October so why the big rush to open non essential shops and open schools for a few weeks before the summer holidays? And things like letting the shielded out is absolutely criminal. My dad has got a letter saying it’ll be reviewed at the end of June and next thing they’ve just said he can go out a month earlier. 
 

Surely we can afford to buy ourselves a bit more time to look at drugs to ease the symptoms which are already being tested and to better understand how we can live with the disease. 
 

What if you can catch it again in six months? Or a year? More research is needed, we still know fuck all about this disease and how immunity to it will work. 

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4 minutes ago, S.i.t.M aka The Boring One™ said:

For a disease to kill circa 375,000 people worldwide in around 3 months, I'd say covid-19 Is doing a pretty good impression of a deadly virus. And that's with some countries in lockdown.

 

I'm guessing those figures are way off the mark, and not in a positive way. Many countries won't have the capability or money to track every case or give a fuck why someone has died. many will just bury their dead and move on. Of those countries that do have the means, many will massage figures so as not to be seen as incompetent bastards. Then you get those who find everything is unnecessary because they truly believe they won't be affected by it all and their social life, personal plans are more important, they are just giving Governments around the World an excuse to ease down on things. The old and vulnerable will face the brunt of things, but as we have seen and some of us have witnessed, nobody is truly safe from Covid. 

I also agree with section about why Lockdowns have been put in place initially, to control the spread to try and ensure Hospitals weren't at breaking point and that the necessary equipment wouldn't run out. I doubt for a minute that they had good intentions towards the old and vulnerable though. 

Tony also makes a great point about the timescale and severity of all these Lockdowns in most countries, people can still get out to exercise, albeit not in the group/club fashion many are used to with gym classes etc. Some will manage the situation better than others depending on their circumstances, others will struggle.

 

At the end of the day society has been shown up for what it is. You get those who will try to abide by the restrictions and get on with things as it is better for the public in general, then you get the selfish bastards who just think about themselves and what they want, in fact this Pandemic has magnified what a shit state society is in. 

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17 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:


No one knows how long people will be immune though. Obviously people can’t stay locked up forever but there’s a massive gap between locking people up forever and basically abandoning the lockdown after ten weeks.


The furlough has been extended to October so why the big rush to open non essential shops and open schools for a few weeks before the summer holidays? And things like letting the shielded out is absolutely criminal. My dad has got a letter saying it’ll be reviewed at the end of June and next thing they’ve just said he can go out a month earlier. 
 

Surely we can afford to buy ourselves a bit more time to look at drugs to ease the symptoms which are already being tested and to better understand how we can live with the disease. 
 

What if you can catch it again in six months? Or a year? More research is needed, we still know fuck all about this disease and how immunity to it will work. 

Not really. It is extended until the end of July. As soon as an employer starts to have to pay a percentage of wages, you will see a lot of redundancies. 

27 minutes ago, Grinch said:

It's the exact same as your responce.  Glad you can see how fucking stupid it is 

I was just offering context. The numbers in the overall scheme of things are not significant. Each death is hugely significant to the individual and family & friends, but in the overall scheme of things...

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12 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Not really. It is extended until the end of July. As soon as an employer starts to have to pay a percentage of wages, you will see a lot of redundancies. 


Not necessarily. Think they have to pay national insurance contributions in August but the government still fund 80% of wages. They’ll still pay 70% of wages in September dropping to 60% in October so people will still be getting paid though they might lose money if their employer won’t top up to 80%. 
 

Either way if the political will was there they could easily carry on paying 80% until the end of October. Won’t have a vaccine by then but I’d be hopeful we’d have some treatments and a much better understanding of immunity.

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https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-18340690

 

The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

"In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy's coronavirus contagion.

"The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago," he told RAI television.

 

A second doctor echoed Zangrillo's observations. "The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today," said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.

The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.

 

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10 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-18340690

 

The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

"In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy's coronavirus contagion.

"The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago," he told RAI television.

 

A second doctor echoed Zangrillo's observations. "The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today," said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.

The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.

 

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I was excited until I realised Matteo Bassetti was Mike Bassett in Italian.

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If this is true though. I'm fully onboard with the conspiracy theorists. 

 

A virus hits like a bomb, mainly hammering western Europe, the East Coast of the United Strates (its own specific strain)  in an election year and as protestors are taking to the streets of hong kong, causing social and financial mayhem. A virus that's doing the sort of wacky shit doctors have never seen before, then it gets weak and fucks off? 

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5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

If this is true though. I'm fully onboard with the conspiracy theorists. 

 

A virus hits like a bomb, mainly hammering western Europe, the East Coast of the United Strates (its own specific strain)  in an election year and as protestors are taking to the streets of hong kong, causing social and financial mayhem. A virus that's doing the sort of wacky shit doctors have never seen before, then it gets weak and fucks off? 

 

Can they design it to weaken over time? Can anyone control/influence which way something will mutate?

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1 hour ago, Grinch said:

Thats the point of the lock down if you're going with herd immunity and don't want the hospitals over run. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Despite what they say about not planning for herd immunity, surely the only way out is between herd immunity and a vaccine? Unless people want to live like this forever. 

Isn't it clear we've been in a herd immunity programme, but they just stopped using those words after international condemnation? The slogan of the 1st part of the pandemic pretty much said that. We stayed at home so the hospitals weren't over run. That in turn saved lives. Had the government aim been to purely save lives, the lockdown would have been more severe and the message wouldn't have needed the "protect the nhs" part of the tagline. 

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1 minute ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Can they design it to weaken over time? Can anyone control/influence which way something will mutate?

No idea, it's fucking weird though if it's true, and it's a big if. 

 

Some Ozzie professor was saying the other day he was weirded out by the fact it had seemingly gone straight from an animal virus to a human one with seemingly no sign of evolution, one day it was one thing then it was the next. 

 

 

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I know it like comparing apples and oranges but to put it in a bit of perspective approx 85,000 under five year olds have died in the past three years because of starvation. If you tot up  over 5s, adults and those dead through bombing the death rate is off the scale, 

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/21/yemen-young-children-dead-starvation-disease-save-the-children

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2 hours ago, Spy Bee said:

150,000 people die each day globally.

Most likely from wars, famine, disasters, old age, accidents, murders, other diseases. Saying that a disease isn't that deadly because it has only added 375,000 to the millions who dying already doesn't do justice to what this virus is capable of. 

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25 minutes ago, S.i.t.M aka The Boring One™ said:

Most likely from wars, famine, disasters, old age, accidents, murders, other diseases. Saying that a disease isn't that deadly because it has only added 375,000 to the millions who dying already doesn't do justice to what this virus is capable of. 

You could argue that it's not an extra 375,000 as many of these people would have died anyway, but not much point getting into that minutia. It's deadly, I'm not denying that.

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