Coronavirus

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, TK421 said:

They were pushing for a relaxation of the two metre rule. 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/government-could-relax-two-metre-21961433

It's hard to take an article serious that says there's   27,510  people dead

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

It's hard to take an article serious that says there's   27,510  people dead

That article was dated 2 May to be fair. However...

 

"There is a fairly solid evidence base for a transmission rate if indoors and within one metre of someone with a respiratory infection for 15 minutes, but that time detail has been lost somewhere along the way," he said.

 

Aren't most people who are inside working the ones who are least likely to have less than 2 metres and most likely to stay within that distance for more than 15 minutes?

[Pureblood]

5 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

It's hard to take an article serious that says there's   27,510  people dead

Well it's from early May. 

 

There were widespread reports of the government pushing for a relaxation of the rule.  Michael Gove was an advocate of it. 

[Barrington Womble]

10 minutes ago, S.i.t.M aka The Boring One™ said:

That article was dated 2 May to be fair. However...

 

"There is a fairly solid evidence base for a transmission rate if indoors and within one metre of someone with a respiratory infection for 15 minutes, but that time detail has been lost somewhere along the way," he said.

 

Aren't most people who are inside working the ones who are least likely to have less than 2 metres and most likely to stay within that distance for more than 15 minutes?

 

10 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Well it's from early May. 

 

There were widespread reports of the government pushing for a relaxation of the rule.  Michael Gove was an advocate of it. 

Well 2nd of may is gone and clearly this was looked at and dismissed - surely there's a duty to look at all options? I don't see how you can beat them up about stuff they didn't do wrong, especially as there's so much to beat them up on that they did do wrong. It's just a distraction. 

[Pureblood]

12 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

 

Well 2nd of may is gone and clearly this was looked at and dismissed - surely there's a duty to look at all options? I don't see how you can beat them up about stuff they didn't do wrong, especially as there's so much to beat them up on that they did do wrong. It's just a distraction. 

It hasn't gone away.  Boris Johnson is still pushing for it to be changed. Personally I think the two metre rule is absolute bollocks, especially for indoor settings.  In the future when we look back on this and what went wrong, I think the two metre rule will prove to be one of the biggest fallacies.  It's shitty science, in my opinion. So the virus suddenly stops caring and being infectious when you're two metres away?  Not a chance. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8362335/Boris-Johnson-wants-two-metre-social-distancing-rule-EASED-help-shops-pubs-reopen.html

 

[Barrington Womble]

3 minutes ago, TK421 said:

It hasn't gone away.  Boris Johnson is still pushing for it to be changed. Personally I think the two metre rule is absolute bollocks, especially for indoor settings.  In the future when we look back on this and what went wrong, I think the two metre rule will prove to be one of the biggest fallacies.  It's shitty science, in my opinion. So the virus suddenly stops caring and being infectious when you're two metres away?  Not a chance. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8362335/Boris-Johnson-wants-two-metre-social-distancing-rule-EASED-help-shops-pubs-reopen.html

 

 

But clearly Johnson isn't getting his own way. It won't go away until this is all over. Personally I am not an expert in the science, but world wide people have nearly always gone for 6ft/1.5-2m, so there must be something to it. You got upset when we didn't follow the WHO on face masks, yet the WHO recommend just 1m social distancing, so you can't get upset when it's considered. Personally I think we're more at risk from ambiguous guidelines of "where possible" than we are of absolute guidelines even when that's a lesser distance. 

[Pureblood]

4 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

 

But clearly Johnson isn't getting his own way. It won't go away until this is all over. Personally I am not an expert in the science, but world wide people have nearly always gone for 6ft/1.5-2m, so there must be something to it. You got upset when we didn't follow the WHO on face masks, yet the WHO recommend just 1m social distancing, so you can't get upset when it's considered. Personally I think we're more at risk from ambiguous guidelines of "where possible" than we are of absolute guidelines even when that's a lesser distance. 

The WHO can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.  One metre? Yeah alright. There should be mass dismissals in that organisation.  It should then be reorganised and preferably called something different, so that people don't confuse it for the shambles it is now. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Up until today, we've had no test figures for the past seven days. There's two days left in May and for the 200k tests by the end of the month target to be hit. 

 

What's the bets we'll get the figures back today/tomorrow and they'll miraculously exceed 200k?

[Barrington Womble]

3 minutes ago, TK421 said:

The WHO can fuck off as far as I'm concerned.  One metre? Yeah alright. There should be mass dismissals in that organisation.  It should then be reorganised and preferably called something different, so that people don't confuse it for the shambles it is now. 

Yet you thought it was smashing over masks and were fuming we didn't follow their guidance. 

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, Nelly-Torres said:

Up until today, we've had no test figures for the past seven days. There's two days left in May and for the 200k tests by the end of the month target to be hit. 

 

What's the bets we'll get the figures back today/tomorrow and they'll miraculously exceed 200k?

Absolute guarantee. 

[Pureblood]

7 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Yet you thought it was smashing over masks and were fuming we didn't follow their guidance. 

That's simply not true. I was critical about their guidance on masks. I'll bump the quote on the face mask thread so that you can see. 

[Bruce Spanner]

11 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Absolute guarantee. 

Only if they start including the Rosche antibody tests...

[Pureblood]

Two metre rule not enough. And what does our government want? Less than two metres. They are outright mass murdering cunts.  

 

https://www.tricitynews.com/news/two-metres-likely-not-enough-to-stem-the-spread-of-covid-19-say-experts-1.24143035

 

Indoors, the studies show there is a growing body of evidence that two metres is not enough. 

[TheHowieLama]

25 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

world wide people have nearly always gone for 6ft/1.5-2m, so there must be something to it. 

The 6 foot rule is/was based on how far droplets can be sprayed by speaking and especially coughing normally if you are not wearing a mask. 

If you are wearing a mask airborne transmission becomes less likely - surfaces and then transmittal by hands are supposedly more dangerous.

[cloggypop]

It's only 1.5m here. 

[skend04]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

The 6 foot rule is/was based on how far droplets can be sprayed by speaking and especially coughing normally if you are not wearing a mask. 

If you are wearing a mask airborne transmission becomes less likely - surfaces and then transmittal by hands are supposedly more dangerous.

Everyone needs to stop picking their arses and scratching their noses.

 

At least until you've washed your hands.

[Pureblood]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

The 6 foot rule is/was based on how far droplets can be sprayed by speaking and especially coughing normally if you are not wearing a mask. 

If you are wearing a mask airborne transmission becomes less likely - surfaces and then transmittal by hands are supposedly more dangerous.

I'd be more at ease with the two metre rule if masks were compulsory for all public indoor settings and all indoor workplaces. But in this country they're not compulsory, which makes a complete mockery of the two metre rule.  

[Scooby Dudek]

BBC News - Coronavirus: Tory MPs call for change in 2m social distancing rule
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52861993

Senior Conservative MPs are urging Boris Johnson to consider changing the 2m social distancing rule to 1.5m, amid fears for the hospitality sector.

 

Greg Clark, chair of the Commons science committee, told the Daily Telegraph it could "be the difference between people being able to go to work and losing their jobs".

 

Former Chancellor Lord Lamont said measures which could "compensate", such as face masks, should be considered.

[Strontium]

40 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

It's only 1.5m here. 

 

[3 Stacks]

The 2 metre thing is when you're outside. Inside, pretty much any distance between you and a person infected seems not to matter because the ventilation can just bring the virus to you, if the ventilation circulates the air into different rooms. 

[Anubis]

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Up until today, we've had no test figures for the past seven days. There's two days left in May and for the 200k tests by the end of the month target to be hit. 

 

What's the bets we'll get the figures back today/tomorrow and they'll miraculously exceed 200k?

During one of the daily updates, the question was asked whether the 200,000 target at the end of May was actual tests or capacity for testing. This question reeks of a setup and you shouldn't be too surprised what the answer was.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

So the virus knows what country it's in? This virus becomes more impressive all the time.

[Pureblood]

8 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

The 2 metre thing is when you're outside. Inside, pretty much any distance between you and a person infected seems not to matter because the ventilation can just bring the virus to you, if the ventilation circulates the air into different rooms. 

This isn't true as far the UK is concerned. The government guidance, as it stands, specifically refers to the two metre rule in the context of the workplace.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/staying-alert-and-safe-social-distancing/staying-alert-and-safe-social-distancing#protecting-different-groups-of-people

 

In particular, workplaces should, where possible, ensure employees can maintain a two-metre distance from others, and wash their hands regularly.

[Anubis]

Don’t know the R number.

Haven't checked who the 8000 infections per day are to look at commonality. 
Track and trace app May as well redirect you to Gove’s favourite porn site for all the use it is.

 

No worries, though. You guys hit the beach.