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8 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

quite possibly, although its so soon after  the election, I think it would have been difficult to roll back all of the shite of the last 10 years. But I think there would have been more eagerness to lock down properly, more of a people first attitude, and look at what has been put in place, through gritted teeth, parts of what Corbyn and his shadow gov't were looking to implement but we got all of the tory memes of magic grandpa and money tree.

Also it wouldn't have had the sadistic fuck Cummings in anyway associated with it.

Lockdown - too many people sitting on the couch leads to squashed bollocks, that my theory anyway

Ok, we'll use a numbering system as I know you like numbers:

 

1. What do you do? you refer to yourself as in health care, but its a very nebulous description, lacks any clarity on a level of authority you may be able to bring to the conversation - yes you are being held up to more scrutiny than others on the thread, because you keep attaching targets to yourself talking about how you and your family are in healthcare.

 

2. Why are surgeries closed? This is your chance to shine - you have clearly stated this is a specialism, you repeatedly state you know about this situation and you have friends who are Drs (GP's ??? quite probably having stated your missus is a medical secretary) is this a localised issue? how many surgeries are closed? all some?? hit us with some numbers.

 

3. "Urgent suspected cancer referrals are down 75%" - can we have some context to this statement? Again this localised? UK wide?

 

4. "Hospital are by and large empty in the UK" again provide context, how many?? where? why do you think they are empty? I agree its shit but of the staff have been redeployed - what is your solution - let the Covid patients die?

 

5. Do you think that your positivity could in anyway be influenced by your ties to the NHS and the need to see it return to "normality" - I'm not having a crack, asking a serious question if most of your family is in one way or another involved in the supply of good and services to the NHS - are they being impacted? Could this provide a subconscious bias?

 

6. Why are you so preoccupied with my intelligence and believe I am deficient in maths? Seriously some of the insults you have been throwing around are straight out of the Trump school, and make you look juvenile.

 

1. I could provide you with extensive details of what I do in my job/s day-to-day, but the fact is, I only ever mentioned my role and those of my family, when I was trying to explain why it was difficult to get a doctor's appointment. When I don't offer justification for what I post you complain, when I do, you complain. At time have I tried to suggest my views are more important because I work in healthcare.

 

2. I don't know why. I never claimed to know why. The GP I know was off with Covid at this time. My missus wasn't told why, she was just told that they were closing their doors (they opened them again yesterday). 

 

3. There are normally 13,000 urgent suspected cancer referrals per quarter. This was down by 10,000 pro rata. I don't recall where I got this information, but I'm pretty certain that I didn't just make it up. If you'd questioned it at the time I would have been able to provide a reference for you.

 

4. This is factual and has been published all over the place. This is why many Trusts are looking at starting elective surgery again. I do have some local insight here, as in I know some of the occupation levels of some hospitals, but it's not exactly covered by the Official Secrets Act. Nightingale Hospital was effectively closed yesterday, some of these other hospitals have never been used. Join the dots.

 

5. I don't really even understand the premise of the question. I choose a positive outlook in life. This is not something related to the pandemic or the NHS. I choose to see positives where they exist. That doesn't mean that I bury my head in the sand - it certainly seems that many more people have died than needed to, and I hope that the people responsible for that are held to account. I just choose not to naval gaze and be maudlin. I compared it to the FF when a match is lost, many more people post than when a match it won. I find that dead odd.

 

6. I initially asked you not to talk to me like I was 6 years old, because I found it patronising. Your response was to criticise my intelligence. Go back and check - you seem to like doing that - when you have, you will see that prior to that I hadn't mentioned your (lack of) intelligence. I subsequently found it highly amusing that you couldn't work out what 0.5% meant, it was just the irony of the situation.

 

Regarding the website, yes, I'm aware. We only have two functioning websites at the moment. While not exactly by design, it's not really a priority based on the current state of affairs, but thanks for the heads up.

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5 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

As entertaining as parts of it have been, you guys need to take this shit to KFC so we can get back to watching the world burn in this thread.

 

Thanks.

 

Arguing with bullet points is surely one for the 'getting older' thread.

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4 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Dude I was taking the piss with the google shit, it is semi-serious, it’s the industry I work in, and I am interested in privacy. I think google has stealthily become ubiquitous in many peoples lives and it is dangerous to have so much data in one company’s hands, the same goes for Facebook. 
have you read Zuboff’s book on surveillance economy? It’s pretty illuminating.

No worries, I wasn't being that serious. Yeah I agree that Google, in fact the internet and social media as a whole is way too pervasive. It's one of those things you know you should be concerned with but ooh look x manufacturer has just released a shiny new x. The whole game is fucked, just go with it. 

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1 hour ago, Spy Bee said:

1. I could provide you with extensive details of what I do in my job/s day-to-day, but the fact is, I only ever mentioned my role and those of my family, when I was trying to explain why it was difficult to get a doctor's appointment. When I don't offer justification for what I post you complain, when I do, you complain. At time have I tried to suggest my views are more important because I work in healthcare.

 

Answered like a true politician!  FFS lad, he just asked what your job was and you come back with a load of waffle!

 

 

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18 hours ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEwF34eel2I

 

Live press conference of Independent Sage (You can rewind it).

 

Was interesting to here from their meeting earlier how Greece dealt with people coming into the country. They quarantined everyone in hotels for 2 weeks. That's how you deal with a pandemic.

 

The group also were questioning why guidance was only 7 days isolating (instead of 2 weeks recommended by WHO) to which they've not had a response from the government.

Cheers for posting this, it was a proper good geek out, and great to see the science and policies being debated in an open environment with people happy to disagree and put across different perspectives based on their speciality.

as others have said Alison pollock was great, but I also found Scally, Costello, McKee and Haque really insightful.

David Kings willingness to bring forward lessons learned from

what he considers missteps in the foot and mouth epidemic was also good to see.

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9 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

#FlatteningTheCurve

 

Going really well this.

 

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That’s an accumulative graph, so it won’t flatten until there are 0 cases per day. 
 

This is at daily points, shows it’s flattening (although a 3 day average isn’t the best choice IMO).

 

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59 minutes ago, Red_or_Dead said:

Answered like a true politician!  FFS lad, he just asked what your job was and you come back with a load of waffle!

 

 

Shut up you fucking knobhead! Why should I explain the minutia of my workload on a public forum? It's nobody's fucking business!

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4 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Shut up you fucking knobhead! Why should I explain the minutia of my workload on a public forum? It's nobody's fucking business!

And if it is "nobody's fucking business " then why mention it earlier on?!  Mentalist.

 

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Just now, Red_or_Dead said:

Fucking hell, proper rattled!  A job title is hardly minutia you cretin.

 

My job title is none of your fucking business either. I have told you that I am not operating as a Sales Director, the rest of it is none of your business. Why do you even fucking care?

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Just now, Red_or_Dead said:

And if it is "nobody's fucking business " then why mention it earlier on?!  Mentalist.

 

I fucking explained that? The only time I mentioned it was when justifying why it was hard to get a fucking appointment with a doctor. I don't know which bit you daft cunts can't comprehend?

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2 hours ago, Spy Bee said:

1. I could provide you with extensive details of what I do in my job/s day-to-day, but the fact is, I only ever mentioned my role and those of my family, when I was trying to explain why it was difficult to get a doctor's appointment. When I don't offer justification for what I post you complain, when I do, you complain. At time have I tried to suggest my views are more important because I work in healthcare.

 

2. I don't know why. I never claimed to know why. The GP I know was off with Covid at this time. My missus wasn't told why, she was just told that they were closing their doors (they opened them again yesterday). 

 

3. There are normally 13,000 urgent suspected cancer referrals per quarter. This was down by 10,000 pro rata. I don't recall where I got this information, but I'm pretty certain that I didn't just make it up. If you'd questioned it at the time I would have been able to provide a reference for you.

 

4. This is factual and has been published all over the place. This is why many Trusts are looking at starting elective surgery again. I do have some local insight here, as in I know some of the occupation levels of some hospitals, but it's not exactly covered by the Official Secrets Act. Nightingale Hospital was effectively closed yesterday, some of these other hospitals have never been used. Join the dots.

 

5. I don't really even understand the premise of the question. I choose a positive outlook in life. This is not something related to the pandemic or the NHS. I choose to see positives where they exist. That doesn't mean that I bury my head in the sand - it certainly seems that many more people have died than needed to, and I hope that the people responsible for that are held to account. I just choose not to naval gaze and be maudlin. I compared it to the FF when a match is lost, many more people post than when a match it won. I find that dead odd.

 

6. I initially asked you not to talk to me like I was 6 years old, because I found it patronising. Your response was to criticise my intelligence. Go back and check - you seem to like doing that - when you have, you will see that prior to that I hadn't mentioned your (lack of) intelligence. I subsequently found it highly amusing that you couldn't work out what 0.5% meant, it was just the irony of the situation.

 

Regarding the website, yes, I'm aware. We only have two functioning websites at the moment. While not exactly by design, it's not really a priority based on the current state of affairs, but thanks for the heads up.

Cheers for answering, I’m not going to have a pop or try and pull apart any of your answers as I don’t think it would be helpful, fair play you’ve answered, if anyone disagrees with anything - it’s no longer my fight.
 

ive had a good scan and I still can’t see where the 6 year old or maths stuff comes from with respect to me, I can see it in the conversation with Howie, where you also had a bit of a stat off, and Howie accepted he may have had something askew. But that’s pretty much it, so if you are mistaking us, the only question remains which of us sues first.

 

With regards your ssl issue, treat it as a priority, you are referencing IOT and Cloud. There are quite severe issues in hospitals and health in general with poorly secured legacy systems using IOT that are hackabke and will continue to be hackable for their lifetime due to the hardware they were built with. These are anything from fucking big scanners and MRI machines to pacemaker implants - so right across the scope of electrical devices.

not running something as simple as securing your website gives a poor brand image in light of this.

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Just now, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Cheers for answering, I’m not going to have a pop or try and pull apart any of your answers as I don’t think it would be helpful, fair play you’ve answered, if anyone disagrees with anything - it’s no longer my fight.
 

ive had a good scan and I still can’t see where the 6 year old or maths stuff comes from with respect to me, I can see it in the conversation with Howie, where you also had a bit of a stat off, and Howie accepted he may have had something askew. But that’s pretty much it, so if you are mistaking us, the only question remains which of us sues first.

 

With regards your ssl issue, treat it as a priority, you are referencing IOT and Cloud. There are quite severe issues in hospitals and health in general with poorly secured legacy systems using IOT that are hackabke and will continue to be hackable for their lifetime due to the hardware they were built with. These are anything from fucking big scanners and MRI machines to pacemaker implants - so right across the scope of electrical devices.

not running something as simple as securing your website gives a poor brand image in light of this.

Quoted as I missed the attachment with exchange with Howie.

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2 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

With regards your ssl issue, treat it as a priority, you are referencing IOT and Cloud. There are quite severe issues in hospitals and health in general with poorly secured legacy systems using IOT that are hackabke and will continue to be hackable for their lifetime due to the hardware they were built with. These are anything from fucking big scanners and MRI machines to pacemaker implants - so right across the scope of electrical devices.

not running something as simple as securing your website gives a poor brand image in light of this.

The brand is being mothballed.

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