Coronavirus

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

21 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

Been reading Peter Hitchens twitter feed during the pandemic. One pompous twat him

Sure he is a member here!

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyH said:

F.U.C.K.I.N.G H.E.L.L

 

4 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Nobody can accuse you of half-arsing that post. Nobody. 

yeah comes with the personality type, apologies if I bored fuck out of everyone.

1 minute ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Getting angry but to what end? The current government won the last election. What should be the output of anger - a public enquiry? A change of government at the next election? Asking in good faith. 

You have answered your own question, it should be all of that and more, hammer the prss get in touch with local members, get fucking active (whilst maintaining social distance). The Labour Party is now headed by a fella who will go with the middle, this means the middle has to move left, they can do that now, or they can wait until things get worse and they get squeezed more and more until - they are no longer in the middle.

[Jordy Brouwer]

Do you think things would have been greatly better if the election had gone the other way?

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

I'm not going to come back to that, apart from to say you are nowhere near as funny or as intelligent as you think you are. If you'd challenged me on any of the above statements I would have provided references, but this is a forum, not a fucking thesis, so I won't be going back and adding references. I at no time claimed to have any kind of medical qualifications or implied that I had. I simply mentioned that a number of my family work in healthcare when explaining how I knew that it was nigh on impossible to get a doctor's appointment. I'd suggest you bore off now.

I haven't asked for your views on my comedic ability - I was using sarcasm as I didn't want to stoop to your childish "dumbfuck" or "6 year old" level of wit, I have stated I don't need you to verify my intelligence, I have that done by third parties when I interview, or take exams, so thanks anyway.

 

good to see you shit out of some very simple questions.

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

I have no problem with getting ITV. I don't watch GMB though because it's got Piers Morgan on it. 

Aah right. Neither do I but I’m aware of him hammering them. 
 

Thanks 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

I haven't asked for your views on my comedic ability - I was using sarcasm as I didn't want to stoop to your childish "dumbfuck" or "6 year old" level of wit, I have stated I don't need you to verify my intelligence, I have that done by third parties when I interview, or take exams, so thanks anyway.

 

good to see you shit out of some very simple questions.

Oh go on then, what question in particular? I couldn't be arsed reading all the way through your monologue of regurgitation. 

[easytoslip]

My Nephew works in some  Council department in Bristol, he said there's plans for the possibility that pubs etc opening, though they'll probably be the last ones to open, to be on a City to City basis, I can see that happening maybe, to see how things go, I hope not though. 

[lifetime fan]

1 hour ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

1st you call me thick, dumb cunt etc. then simple search engine search and you think I'm stalking you?

This isnt really high level OSINT, not after you have told us how many internet directorships you hold, bearing in mind I've been a member of the site for >15 years, and you have a name that is not so common.

I did tell you I was in Security, if you need any pen testing done (real stalking) this takes time and effort, so costs a few quid - hopefully such a top exec would know this as you would have had all of your sites, apps etc tested. and verified and if you are running regular contracts with the NHS - I'd hope there is a contractual obligation for regular vulnerability assessments and penetration tests. 

Do I know what you do? No, but I do know you have worked in a sales role - is that still the case? fuck knows, but I'm willing to bet you have not completed a medical degree since you left your sales role, ergo point carries looking at the evidence - prima facie - sales

Yes, they can (btw Fibonacci, what is with the numbering sequences here? they need context) what would be useful is to know why? we have had no issues with surgery closures over here to my knowledge, but we also enforced strict quarantining for overseas arrivals, and halted incoming flights from problem areas - another question for your side of the globe (another reason to be negative I would suggest). So we can take confidence on why (local?)surgeries are closed, why people are not getting the required referrals from your family members and friends, how far does their network spread - are you aware of numbers in the NE, London, Watford (which I think was (almost) out of Oxygen in march/early April.

Again context man, what the fuck is this referring to?? 

 

Well hello there - Dr Leo Spaceman in the house!

 

"Hospital are by and large empty in the UK" - ok, provide the evidence (I'm not disputing the fact, but its a fucking sweeping generalisation, as Wom mentioned previously, he believes, consultants are unable to work as ancillary staff are busy on covid wards - so what is your suggestion here> stop treating the Covid patients and redeploy the staff? Seriously this is a question I have asked previously, what do you do?)

 

Yes DR Leo - its for you to provide reasons, as you have previously stated, this is where you can provide insights, provide something insightful, rather than bland apathy.

 

"Urgent suspected cancer referrals are down 75%"

Globally? UK wide? Wales, England?? down your fucking street??

 

you work in Healthcare, an old favourite, so you are using this to legitimise a statement, as you have done previous to 27/04 - for the sake off brevity I looked only at the last weeks worth of posts as there is an awful lot of bad statistics and bollocks on this thread (including my own wasted bits and bytes).

BTW, is it Dr Leo Spaceman or Siralan Sugar - difficult to pin down such a talented felafels, how do you fit it all in as well as post on here and manage your digital currency portfolios?

Now, Scott posted that he work as a data analyst for a large bank - I have confidence now that Scott is going to be useful for analysing data, I will take on board what he says and compare to other data analysts, Col works in care (in a defined role) -again I have confidence in what he is talking about, but old Dr Leo - all we know is you work in Health Care, and you think everything is going to be just fine, just need a good positive attitude - what's that old boy you're dead? well at least smile you're through the worst now. come on now mother, put on a brave face and give us a smile whilst the nurses use FaceTime to have a last goodbye.

 

this preoccupation with my mathematic ability? Are you getting confused with Carl Hiassen's neighbour? Do me and Howie have to form a tag team against the Siralan Dr Leo Spaceman Galvatron beast for the Berlin Countdown? (Final countdown - that was by Berlin as well wasn't it, maybe we can get Carol Vorderman out of retirement to do the round cards)

 

 

 

Ok Dr Siralan, lets look at the positive / negative aspects - let's try and have some perspective:

 

"It could be a lot worse" "Maybe its not as bad as we think"

 

there are ~50,000 dead in the UK, we have 95 - we are ~33% of the population size and with lower population density, it still doesn't account for the difference in recorded deaths. How much fucking worse could it get?? the country and it's inhabitants have been shat upon by the government once again, and people are out banging pots and pans because the fucking burst Albino Humpty Dumpty who has a responsibility for the situation is  alive and out of his fridge.

 

I stated in early March this was going to be a monumental fuck up in the UK, RP was trying to look at the positive aspects of it, here we are ~50,000 early death caused by a failure to act, lives sacrificed by government policy, policy that appears to be heavily influenced by an unelected Randian oddball who has a team adept at creating and distributing misinformation via digital media.

 

Again, the war analogy fails with relation to Covid, the closures of the pits in the 70's and 80's is a much better analogy, as those who are excusing the deaths (whether they be a month early or 60 years early, whether the person has underlying issues or not, these are deaths that could have been reduced or prevented by better handling).

The argument then was the same as now, it was a financial cost, to try to save them would have impacted other areas - we don't know how true that was as we have no direct comparison, with Covid - its all around the world, the comparisons are easy.

Still got to keep on smiling eh, nearly over, only ~50,000 down?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/16/number-coronavirus-pandemic

 

"People are understandably looking for good news. But the truth is, we’re nowhere near controlling coronavirus"

 

This is my reason for referring to epidemiologists - I was not suggesting you should add another string to your heavy bow.

 

"There have been more than 93,000 cases of Covid-19 identified in the UK. Let’s round that up and say it is 100,000. So if the reports from the BMJ editorial are accurate, the actual number would be that multiplied by five, in which case there would have already been half a million infections in the UK. If this really is the peak and we see as many cases on the way down as on the way up, that would total 1 million infections from the initial surge in the UK – hopefully all of those people would then be immune.

That would leave about 65 million people in the UK still without immunity.

I am going to be unusually optimistic here, and assume that everyone who has Covid-19 becomes fully immune (not a given), and that the virus is towards the less transmissible end of the range of estimates currently available. If this is the case, you would need half your population to have been infected to achieve a level of population immunity that would stop the epidemic continuing to grow and overwhelming healthcare systems. 

As I write the UK is reporting more than 10,000 deaths from Covid-19. Due to the realities of collecting data during an infectious disease emergency like this, that is likely to be an underestimate. Again, if we assume this is the peak and there is the same number on the way down that’s 20,000 total from the initial surge. And to get to population immunity you have to multiply that by at least 30: based on the current data, that’s about 600,000 deaths to get there, minimum.

Play Video

3:27

 What the UK's coronavirus death toll is not telling us – video explainer

Finding a vaccine to offer a complete solution to this pandemic is, even in the best scenarios, still a long way off. But it is not hard to see many ways we can slow the pace of the pandemic and save lives. One of them is greatly improved testing to identify cases and their contacts, which could be supplemented by clever digital methods to spot who has been at risk. 

Governments around the world are attempting ways to keep jobs and businesses afloat while lockdowns are in place – but the pressure remains to swiftly end such shutdowns. I get that this is going to be a mammoth strain on the economy. But the deaths of many thousands of people would be too: it is simply not possible to thoroughly insulate an economy from the impact of a pandemic of this kind.

Where I live, in Cambridge Massachusetts, I keep hearing sirens. This crisis is not close to over, quite the reverse. The pandemic is only just getting started.

• Dr William Hanage is a professor of the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard"

 

Now - if this fella is not too optimistic and looking at his numbers, you can see why, then neither am I.

 

So  onto a non-antagonistic, serious question - Do you think that your positivity could in anyway be influenced by your ties to the NHS and the need to see it return to "normality" - I'm not having a crack, asking a serious question if most of your family is in one way or another involved in the supply of good and services to the NHS - are they being impacted? Could this provide a subconscious bias? of maybe yer just a salesman at heart who always looks at the bright side. I just don't see an upside to the way the UK has dealt with this, and people need to be fucking angry, I'm not talking about constantly angry and fucking sullen, there are some great things happening from Tim Burgess ditching the blonde locks and hosting listening parties to Tim Booth doing free gym classes and countless comedians, band, writers doing free gigs etc, but people need to get angry with the government and the press who helped install them.

There should be a fuck load more angry voices than the lefty socialist corbynistas, because if there aren't it means things are going to have to get much worse for things to change, so fuck apathy, look at the state of the nation, get angry, define yourself, fuck positivity.

 

This took a fuckload longer than it should have.

 

 

 

 

I think lots of posters on here are cunts, me being probably the biggest. 
 

But that’s an awesome attention to detail mate! 
 

 

[Sugar Ape]

3 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

I think lots of posters on here are cunts, me being probably the biggest. 
 

But that’s an awesome attention to detail mate! 
 

 

 

Was there any need to clog up the page by quoting the whole of the below post Col?
 

1 hour ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

1st you call me thick, dumb cunt etc. then simple search engine search and you think I'm stalking you?

This isnt really high level OSINT, not after you have told us how many internet directorships you hold, bearing in mind I've been a member of the site for >15 years, and you have a name that is not so common.

I did tell you I was in Security, if you need any pen testing done (real stalking) this takes time and effort, so costs a few quid - hopefully such a top exec would know this as you would have had all of your sites, apps etc tested. and verified and if you are running regular contracts with the NHS - I'd hope there is a contractual obligation for regular vulnerability assessments and penetration tests. 

Do I know what you do? No, but I do know you have worked in a sales role - is that still the case? fuck knows, but I'm willing to bet you have not completed a medical degree since you left your sales role, ergo point carries looking at the evidence - prima facie - sales

Yes, they can (btw Fibonacci, what is with the numbering sequences here? they need context) what would be useful is to know why? we have had no issues with surgery closures over here to my knowledge, but we also enforced strict quarantining for overseas arrivals, and halted incoming flights from problem areas - another question for your side of the globe (another reason to be negative I would suggest). So we can take confidence on why (local?)surgeries are closed, why people are not getting the required referrals from your family members and friends, how far does their network spread - are you aware of numbers in the NE, London, Watford (which I think was (almost) out of Oxygen in march/early April.

Again context man, what the fuck is this referring to?? 

 

Well hello there - Dr Leo Spaceman in the house!

 

"Hospital are by and large empty in the UK" - ok, provide the evidence (I'm not disputing the fact, but its a fucking sweeping generalisation, as Wom mentioned previously, he believes, consultants are unable to work as ancillary staff are busy on covid wards - so what is your suggestion here> stop treating the Covid patients and redeploy the staff? Seriously this is a question I have asked previously, what do you do?)

 

Yes DR Leo - its for you to provide reasons, as you have previously stated, this is where you can provide insights, provide something insightful, rather than bland apathy.

 

"Urgent suspected cancer referrals are down 75%"

Globally? UK wide? Wales, England?? down your fucking street??

 

you work in Healthcare, an old favourite, so you are using this to legitimise a statement, as you have done previous to 27/04 - for the sake off brevity I looked only at the last weeks worth of posts as there is an awful lot of bad statistics and bollocks on this thread (including my own wasted bits and bytes).

BTW, is it Dr Leo Spaceman or Siralan Sugar - difficult to pin down such a talented felafels, how do you fit it all in as well as post on here and manage your digital currency portfolios?

Now, Scott posted that he work as a data analyst for a large bank - I have confidence now that Scott is going to be useful for analysing data, I will take on board what he says and compare to other data analysts, Col works in care (in a defined role) -again I have confidence in what he is talking about, but old Dr Leo - all we know is you work in Health Care, and you think everything is going to be just fine, just need a good positive attitude - what's that old boy you're dead? well at least smile you're through the worst now. come on now mother, put on a brave face and give us a smile whilst the nurses use FaceTime to have a last goodbye.

 

this preoccupation with my mathematic ability? Are you getting confused with Carl Hiassen's neighbour? Do me and Howie have to form a tag team against the Siralan Dr Leo Spaceman Galvatron beast for the Berlin Countdown? (Final countdown - that was by Berlin as well wasn't it, maybe we can get Carol Vorderman out of retirement to do the round cards)

 

 

 

Ok Dr Siralan, lets look at the positive / negative aspects - let's try and have some perspective:

 

"It could be a lot worse" "Maybe its not as bad as we think"

 

there are ~50,000 dead in the UK, we have 95 - we are ~33% of the population size and with lower population density, it still doesn't account for the difference in recorded deaths. How much fucking worse could it get?? the country and it's inhabitants have been shat upon by the government once again, and people are out banging pots and pans because the fucking burst Albino Humpty Dumpty who has a responsibility for the situation is  alive and out of his fridge.

 

I stated in early March this was going to be a monumental fuck up in the UK, RP was trying to look at the positive aspects of it, here we are ~50,000 early death caused by a failure to act, lives sacrificed by government policy, policy that appears to be heavily influenced by an unelected Randian oddball who has a team adept at creating and distributing misinformation via digital media.

 

Again, the war analogy fails with relation to Covid, the closures of the pits in the 70's and 80's is a much better analogy, as those who are excusing the deaths (whether they be a month early or 60 years early, whether the person has underlying issues or not, these are deaths that could have been reduced or prevented by better handling).

The argument then was the same as now, it was a financial cost, to try to save them would have impacted other areas - we don't know how true that was as we have no direct comparison, with Covid - its all around the world, the comparisons are easy.

Still got to keep on smiling eh, nearly over, only ~50,000 down?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/16/number-coronavirus-pandemic

 

"People are understandably looking for good news. But the truth is, we’re nowhere near controlling coronavirus"

 

This is my reason for referring to epidemiologists - I was not suggesting you should add another string to your heavy bow.

 

"There have been more than 93,000 cases of Covid-19 identified in the UK. Let’s round that up and say it is 100,000. So if the reports from the BMJ editorial are accurate, the actual number would be that multiplied by five, in which case there would have already been half a million infections in the UK. If this really is the peak and we see as many cases on the way down as on the way up, that would total 1 million infections from the initial surge in the UK – hopefully all of those people would then be immune.

That would leave about 65 million people in the UK still without immunity.

I am going to be unusually optimistic here, and assume that everyone who has Covid-19 becomes fully immune (not a given), and that the virus is towards the less transmissible end of the range of estimates currently available. If this is the case, you would need half your population to have been infected to achieve a level of population immunity that would stop the epidemic continuing to grow and overwhelming healthcare systems. 

As I write the UK is reporting more than 10,000 deaths from Covid-19. Due to the realities of collecting data during an infectious disease emergency like this, that is likely to be an underestimate. Again, if we assume this is the peak and there is the same number on the way down that’s 20,000 total from the initial surge. And to get to population immunity you have to multiply that by at least 30: based on the current data, that’s about 600,000 deaths to get there, minimum.

Play Video

3:27

 What the UK's coronavirus death toll is not telling us – video explainer

Finding a vaccine to offer a complete solution to this pandemic is, even in the best scenarios, still a long way off. But it is not hard to see many ways we can slow the pace of the pandemic and save lives. One of them is greatly improved testing to identify cases and their contacts, which could be supplemented by clever digital methods to spot who has been at risk. 

Governments around the world are attempting ways to keep jobs and businesses afloat while lockdowns are in place – but the pressure remains to swiftly end such shutdowns. I get that this is going to be a mammoth strain on the economy. But the deaths of many thousands of people would be too: it is simply not possible to thoroughly insulate an economy from the impact of a pandemic of this kind.

Where I live, in Cambridge Massachusetts, I keep hearing sirens. This crisis is not close to over, quite the reverse. The pandemic is only just getting started.

• Dr William Hanage is a professor of the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard"

 

Now - if this fella is not too optimistic and looking at his numbers, you can see why, then neither am I.

 

So  onto a non-antagonistic, serious question - Do you think that your positivity could in anyway be influenced by your ties to the NHS and the need to see it return to "normality" - I'm not having a crack, asking a serious question if most of your family is in one way or another involved in the supply of good and services to the NHS - are they being impacted? Could this provide a subconscious bias? of maybe yer just a salesman at heart who always looks at the bright side. I just don't see an upside to the way the UK has dealt with this, and people need to be fucking angry, I'm not talking about constantly angry and fucking sullen, there are some great things happening from Tim Burgess ditching the blonde locks and hosting listening parties to Tim Booth doing free gym classes and countless comedians, band, writers doing free gigs etc, but people need to get angry with the government and the press who helped install them.

There should be a fuck load more angry voices than the lefty socialist corbynistas, because if there aren't it means things are going to have to get much worse for things to change, so fuck apathy, look at the state of the nation, get angry, define yourself, fuck positivity.

 

This took a fuckload longer than it should have.

 

 

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

I stated in early March this was going to be a monumental fuck up in the UK, RP was trying to look at the positive aspects of it, here we are ~50,000 early death caused by a failure to act, lives sacrificed by government policy, policy that appears to be heavily influenced by an unelected Randian oddball who has a team adept at creating and distributing misinformation via digital media.

 

Luckily when I had to go back to trawl for this I got close to the right page instantly (I went to page 50, it was at 54.) Just to be clear :

 

On 12/03/2020 at 20:20, Red Phoenix said:

@Audrey Witherspoon will at least be glad to know that any optimism I had is now fucking well gone too, at least as far as this country is concerned anyway. I'm in the same pissed off state now I think, it just took a few more days for me to get there.

 

My optimism attempt was mainly trying to have some hope I think, it didn't work out very well at all.

[Spy Bee]

You can think the government has made a balls up of this without sucking your thumb.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52524344

 

Some provisional plans for release of lockdown.

[johnsusername]

I don't see the point of media publishing stories about unconfirmed reports. Until there's something concrete it's all just guesswork and opinion. 

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, johnsusername said:

I don't see the point of media publishing stories about unconfirmed reports. Until there's something concrete it's all just guesswork and opinion. 

Yes, and it worries and confuses the public.

 

It's fucking tedious.

[Section_31]

7 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

I don't see the point of media publishing stories about unconfirmed reports. Until there's something concrete it's all just guesswork and opinion. 

The government leak it to the media to see how it goes down. If people and unions don't kick off they roll it out, if they do they say that was never the official plan anyway and was just media speculation.

[Scott_M]

On average, hospital deaths are decreasing by 6% per day. 
 

I‘ve quickly drawn a graph the Government could only dream of...

 

 

Blue is actual hospital deaths. The brewers droop is due to data not being fully recorded yet and likely to change. 
 

Yellow is a forecast of a 6% reduction per day. 
 

Obviously doesn’t take into account any restarts or increases but if it remains on course, mid-June looks more promising. 

[Scott_M]

3 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Now, Scott posted that he work as a data analyst for a large bank - I have confidence now that Scott is going to be useful for analysing data, I will take on board what he says and compare to other data analysts.  

I wouldn’t mate. I’m the Homer Simpson of our team. While everybody else are Lenny and Karl with degrees and PHD’s and stuff, I just turned up the day the site opened and got a job.

 

I’m surprised how far my C at GCSE Maths has got me. 

[lifetime fan]

3 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

1st you call me thick, dumb cunt etc. then simple search engine search and you think I'm stalking you?

This isnt really high level OSINT, not after you have told us how many internet directorships you hold, bearing in mind I've been a member of the site for >15 years, and you have a name that is not so common.

I did tell you I was in Security, if you need any pen testing done (real stalking) this takes time and effort, so costs a few quid - hopefully such a top exec would know this as you would have had all of your sites, apps etc tested. and verified and if you are running regular contracts with the NHS - I'd hope there is a contractual obligation for regular vulnerability assessments and penetration tests. 

Do I know what you do? No, but I do know you have worked in a sales role - is that still the case? fuck knows, but I'm willing to bet you have not completed a medical degree since you left your sales role, ergo point carries looking at the evidence - prima facie - sales

Yes, they can (btw Fibonacci, what is with the numbering sequences here? they need context) what would be useful is to know why? we have had no issues with surgery closures over here to my knowledge, but we also enforced strict quarantining for overseas arrivals, and halted incoming flights from problem areas - another question for your side of the globe (another reason to be negative I would suggest). So we can take confidence on why (local?)surgeries are closed, why people are not getting the required referrals from your family members and friends, how far does their network spread - are you aware of numbers in the NE, London, Watford (which I think was (almost) out of Oxygen in march/early April.

Again context man, what the fuck is this referring to?? 

 

Well hello there - Dr Leo Spaceman in the house!

 

"Hospital are by and large empty in the UK" - ok, provide the evidence (I'm not disputing the fact, but its a fucking sweeping generalisation, as Wom mentioned previously, he believes, consultants are unable to work as ancillary staff are busy on covid wards - so what is your suggestion here> stop treating the Covid patients and redeploy the staff? Seriously this is a question I have asked previously, what do you do?)

 

Yes DR Leo - its for you to provide reasons, as you have previously stated, this is where you can provide insights, provide something insightful, rather than bland apathy.

 

"Urgent suspected cancer referrals are down 75%"

Globally? UK wide? Wales, England?? down your fucking street??

 

you work in Healthcare, an old favourite, so you are using this to legitimise a statement, as you have done previous to 27/04 - for the sake off brevity I looked only at the last weeks worth of posts as there is an awful lot of bad statistics and bollocks on this thread (including my own wasted bits and bytes).

BTW, is it Dr Leo Spaceman or Siralan Sugar - difficult to pin down such a talented felafels, how do you fit it all in as well as post on here and manage your digital currency portfolios?

Now, Scott posted that he work as a data analyst for a large bank - I have confidence now that Scott is going to be useful for analysing data, I will take on board what he says and compare to other data analysts, Col works in care (in a defined role) -again I have confidence in what he is talking about, but old Dr Leo - all we know is you work in Health Care, and you think everything is going to be just fine, just need a good positive attitude - what's that old boy you're dead? well at least smile you're through the worst now. come on now mother, put on a brave face and give us a smile whilst the nurses use FaceTime to have a last goodbye.

 

this preoccupation with my mathematic ability? Are you getting confused with Carl Hiassen's neighbour? Do me and Howie have to form a tag team against the Siralan Dr Leo Spaceman Galvatron beast for the Berlin Countdown? (Final countdown - that was by Berlin as well wasn't it, maybe we can get Carol Vorderman out of retirement to do the round cards)

 

 

 

Ok Dr Siralan, lets look at the positive / negative aspects - let's try and have some perspective:

 

"It could be a lot worse" "Maybe its not as bad as we think"

 

there are ~50,000 dead in the UK, we have 95 - we are ~33% of the population size and with lower population density, it still doesn't account for the difference in recorded deaths. How much fucking worse could it get?? the country and it's inhabitants have been shat upon by the government once again, and people are out banging pots and pans because the fucking burst Albino Humpty Dumpty who has a responsibility for the situation is  alive and out of his fridge.

 

I stated in early March this was going to be a monumental fuck up in the UK, RP was trying to look at the positive aspects of it, here we are ~50,000 early death caused by a failure to act, lives sacrificed by government policy, policy that appears to be heavily influenced by an unelected Randian oddball who has a team adept at creating and distributing misinformation via digital media.

 

Again, the war analogy fails with relation to Covid, the closures of the pits in the 70's and 80's is a much better analogy, as those who are excusing the deaths (whether they be a month early or 60 years early, whether the person has underlying issues or not, these are deaths that could have been reduced or prevented by better handling).

The argument then was the same as now, it was a financial cost, to try to save them would have impacted other areas - we don't know how true that was as we have no direct comparison, with Covid - its all around the world, the comparisons are easy.

Still got to keep on smiling eh, nearly over, only ~50,000 down?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/16/number-coronavirus-pandemic

 

"People are understandably looking for good news. But the truth is, we’re nowhere near controlling coronavirus"

 

This is my reason for referring to epidemiologists - I was not suggesting you should add another string to your heavy bow.

 

"There have been more than 93,000 cases of Covid-19 identified in the UK. Let’s round that up and say it is 100,000. So if the reports from the BMJ editorial are accurate, the actual number would be that multiplied by five, in which case there would have already been half a million infections in the UK. If this really is the peak and we see as many cases on the way down as on the way up, that would total 1 million infections from the initial surge in the UK – hopefully all of those people would then be immune.

That would leave about 65 million people in the UK still without immunity.

I am going to be unusually optimistic here, and assume that everyone who has Covid-19 becomes fully immune (not a given), and that the virus is towards the less transmissible end of the range of estimates currently available. If this is the case, you would need half your population to have been infected to achieve a level of population immunity that would stop the epidemic continuing to grow and overwhelming healthcare systems. 

As I write the UK is reporting more than 10,000 deaths from Covid-19. Due to the realities of collecting data during an infectious disease emergency like this, that is likely to be an underestimate. Again, if we assume this is the peak and there is the same number on the way down that’s 20,000 total from the initial surge. And to get to population immunity you have to multiply that by at least 30: based on the current data, that’s about 600,000 deaths to get there, minimum.

Play Video

3:27

 What the UK's coronavirus death toll is not telling us – video explainer

Finding a vaccine to offer a complete solution to this pandemic is, even in the best scenarios, still a long way off. But it is not hard to see many ways we can slow the pace of the pandemic and save lives. One of them is greatly improved testing to identify cases and their contacts, which could be supplemented by clever digital methods to spot who has been at risk. 

Governments around the world are attempting ways to keep jobs and businesses afloat while lockdowns are in place – but the pressure remains to swiftly end such shutdowns. I get that this is going to be a mammoth strain on the economy. But the deaths of many thousands of people would be too: it is simply not possible to thoroughly insulate an economy from the impact of a pandemic of this kind.

Where I live, in Cambridge Massachusetts, I keep hearing sirens. This crisis is not close to over, quite the reverse. The pandemic is only just getting started.

• Dr William Hanage is a professor of the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard"

 

Now - if this fella is not too optimistic and looking at his numbers, you can see why, then neither am I.

 

So  onto a non-antagonistic, serious question - Do you think that your positivity could in anyway be influenced by your ties to the NHS and the need to see it return to "normality" - I'm not having a crack, asking a serious question if most of your family is in one way or another involved in the supply of good and services to the NHS - are they being impacted? Could this provide a subconscious bias? of maybe yer just a salesman at heart who always looks at the bright side. I just don't see an upside to the way the UK has dealt with this, and people need to be fucking angry, I'm not talking about constantly angry and fucking sullen, there are some great things happening from Tim Burgess ditching the blonde locks and hosting listening parties to Tim Booth doing free gym classes and countless comedians, band, writers doing free gigs etc, but people need to get angry with the government and the press who helped install them.

There should be a fuck load more angry voices than the lefty socialist corbynistas, because if there aren't it means things are going to have to get much worse for things to change, so fuck apathy, look at the state of the nation, get angry, define yourself, fuck positivity.

 

This took a fuckload longer than it should have.

15 minutes on your dinner break? 
 

Hope to fuck my bosses haven’t seen this or I’m shit outta luck with my output. 

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

15 minutes on your dinner break? 
 

Hope to fuck my bosses haven’t seen this

or I’m shit outta luck with my output. 

Arthur is like the Athletic of posters, paid by the word.

[lifetime fan]

2 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Was there any need to clog up the page by quoting the whole of the below post Col?
 

Annoying as fuck I’d imagine. 
 

 

1st you call me thick, dumb cunt etc. then simple search engine search and you think I'm stalking you?

This isnt really high level OSINT, not after you have told us how many internet directorships you hold, bearing in mind I've been a member of the site for >15 years, and you have a name that is not so common.

I did tell you I was in Security, if you need any pen testing done (real stalking) this takes time and effort, so costs a few quid - hopefully such a top exec would know this as you would have had all of your sites, apps etc tested. and verified and if you are running regular contracts with the NHS - I'd hope there is a contractual obligation for regular vulnerability assessments and penetration tests. 

Do I know what you do? No, but I do know you have worked in a sales role - is that still the case? fuck knows, but I'm willing to bet you have not completed a medical degree since you left your sales role, ergo point carries looking at the evidence - prima facie - sales

Yes, they can (btw Fibonacci, what is with the numbering sequences here? they need context) what would be useful is to know why? we have had no issues with surgery closures over here to my knowledge, but we also enforced strict quarantining for overseas arrivals, and halted incoming flights from problem areas - another question for your side of the globe (another reason to be negative I would suggest). So we can take confidence on why (local?)surgeries are closed, why people are not getting the required referrals from your family members and friends, how far does their network spread - are you aware of numbers in the NE, London, Watford (which I think was (almost) out of Oxygen in march/early April.

Again context man, what the fuck is this referring to?? 

 

Well hello there - Dr Leo Spaceman in the house!

 

"Hospital are by and large empty in the UK" - ok, provide the evidence (I'm not disputing the fact, but its a fucking sweeping generalisation, as Wom mentioned previously, he believes, consultants are unable to work as ancillary staff are busy on covid wards - so what is your suggestion here> stop treating the Covid patients and redeploy the staff? Seriously this is a question I have asked previously, what do you do?)

 

Yes DR Leo - its for you to provide reasons, as you have previously stated, this is where you can provide insights, provide something insightful, rather than bland apathy.

 

"Urgent suspected cancer referrals are down 75%"

Globally? UK wide? Wales, England?? down your fucking street??

 

you work in Healthcare, an old favourite, so you are using this to legitimise a statement, as you have done previous to 27/04 - for the sake off brevity I looked only at the last weeks worth of posts as there is an awful lot of bad statistics and bollocks on this thread (including my own wasted bits and bytes).

BTW, is it Dr Leo Spaceman or Siralan Sugar - difficult to pin down such a talented felafels, how do you fit it all in as well as post on here and manage your digital currency portfolios?

Now, Scott posted that he work as a data analyst for a large bank - I have confidence now that Scott is going to be useful for analysing data, I will take on board what he says and compare to other data analysts, Col works in care (in a defined role) -again I have confidence in what he is talking about, but old Dr Leo - all we know is you work in Health Care, and you think everything is going to be just fine, just need a good positive attitude - what's that old boy you're dead? well at least smile you're through the worst now. come on now mother, put on a brave face and give us a smile whilst the nurses use FaceTime to have a last goodbye.

 

this preoccupation with my mathematic ability? Are you getting confused with Carl Hiassen's neighbour? Do me and Howie have to form a tag team against the Siralan Dr Leo Spaceman Galvatron beast for the Berlin Countdown? (Final countdown - that was by Berlin as well wasn't it, maybe we can get Carol Vorderman out of retirement to do the round cards)

 

 

 

Ok Dr Siralan, lets look at the positive / negative aspects - let's try and have some perspective:

 

"It could be a lot worse" "Maybe its not as bad as we think"

 

there are ~50,000 dead in the UK, we have 95 - we are ~33% of the population size and with lower population density, it still doesn't account for the difference in recorded deaths. How much fucking worse could it get?? the country and it's inhabitants have been shat upon by the government once again, and people are out banging pots and pans because the fucking burst Albino Humpty Dumpty who has a responsibility for the situation is  alive and out of his fridge.

 

I stated in early March this was going to be a monumental fuck up in the UK, RP was trying to look at the positive aspects of it, here we are ~50,000 early death caused by a failure to act, lives sacrificed by government policy, policy that appears to be heavily influenced by an unelected Randian oddball who has a team adept at creating and distributing misinformation via digital media.

 

Again, the war analogy fails with relation to Covid, the closures of the pits in the 70's and 80's is a much better analogy, as those who are excusing the deaths (whether they be a month early or 60 years early, whether the person has underlying issues or not, these are deaths that could have been reduced or prevented by better handling).

The argument then was the same as now, it was a financial cost, to try to save them would have impacted other areas - we don't know how true that was as we have no direct comparison, with Covid - its all around the world, the comparisons are easy.

Still got to keep on smiling eh, nearly over, only ~50,000 down?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/16/number-coronavirus-pandemic

 

"People are understandably looking for good news. But the truth is, we’re nowhere near controlling coronavirus"

 

This is my reason for referring to epidemiologists - I was not suggesting you should add another string to your heavy bow.

 

"There have been more than 93,000 cases of Covid-19 identified in the UK. Let’s round that up and say it is 100,000. So if the reports from the BMJ editorial are accurate, the actual number would be that multiplied by five, in which case there would have already been half a million infections in the UK. If this really is the peak and we see as many cases on the way down as on the way up, that would total 1 million infections from the initial surge in the UK – hopefully all of those people would then be immune.

That would leave about 65 million people in the UK still without immunity.

I am going to be unusually optimistic here, and assume that everyone who has Covid-19 becomes fully immune (not a given), and that the virus is towards the less transmissible end of the range of estimates currently available. If this is the case, you would need half your population to have been infected to achieve a level of population immunity that would stop the epidemic continuing to grow and overwhelming healthcare systems. 

As I write the UK is reporting more than 10,000 deaths from Covid-19. Due to the realities of collecting data during an infectious disease emergency like this, that is likely to be an underestimate. Again, if we assume this is the peak and there is the same number on the way down that’s 20,000 total from the initial surge. And to get to population immunity you have to multiply that by at least 30: based on the current data, that’s about 600,000 deaths to get there, minimum.

Play Video

3:27

 What the UK's coronavirus death toll is not telling us – video explainer

Finding a vaccine to offer a complete solution to this pandemic is, even in the best scenarios, still a long way off. But it is not hard to see many ways we can slow the pace of the pandemic and save lives. One of them is greatly improved testing to identify cases and their contacts, which could be supplemented by clever digital methods to spot who has been at risk. 

Governments around the world are attempting ways to keep jobs and businesses afloat while lockdowns are in place – but the pressure remains to swiftly end such shutdowns. I get that this is going to be a mammoth strain on the economy. But the deaths of many thousands of people would be too: it is simply not possible to thoroughly insulate an economy from the impact of a pandemic of this kind.

Where I live, in Cambridge Massachusetts, I keep hearing sirens. This crisis is not close to over, quite the reverse. The pandemic is only just getting started.

• Dr William Hanage is a professor of the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard"

 

Now - if this fella is not too optimistic and looking at his numbers, you can see why, then neither am I.

 

So  onto a non-antagonistic, serious question - Do you think that your positivity could in anyway be influenced by your ties to the NHS and the need to see it return to "normality" - I'm not having a crack, asking a serious question if most of your family is in one way or another involved in the supply of good and services to the NHS - are they being impacted? Could this provide a subconscious bias? of maybe yer just a salesman at heart who always looks at the bright side. I just don't see an upside to the way the UK has dealt with this, and people need to be fucking angry, I'm not talking about constantly angry and fucking sullen, there are some great things happening from Tim Burgess ditching the blonde locks and hosting listening parties to Tim Booth doing free gym classes and countless comedians, band, writers doing free gigs etc, but people need to get angry with the government and the press who helped install them.

There should be a fuck load more angry voices than the lefty socialist corbynistas, because if there aren't it means things are going to have to get much worse for things to change, so fuck apathy, look at the state of the nation, get angry, define yourself, fuck positivity.

 

This took a fuckload longer than it should have.

[lifetime fan]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Arthur is like the Athletic of posters, paid by the word.

And better quality than the majority of the rest of the shite available. 

[Barrington Womble]

8 hours ago, Section_31 said:

What baffles me about it is that presumably if you're just feeling like a cunt one day you can activate your covid button and everyone you've been anywhere near in the last week has to confine themselves to quarters for the foreseeable, what about all the hysterical types with hay fever or a cold too? Is there no medical sigh off for this? No code you have to get from 111 ot whatever?

I think the idea is by this point there will be lots of testing capacity. So if someone suspects, the press the magic button and warn people. Then they go for a test while all their contacts are supposed to isolate. Then when the test results come back, they share them. 

6 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

What has been happening the last week of May and August every year that has reduced deaths?

 

Whatever it is, just do that all year round I reckon.

 

 

Holidays. I'm bang up for that. 

[Pureblood]

Cricket.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

4 hours ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

1st you call me thick, dumb cunt etc. then simple search engine search and you think I'm stalking you?

This isnt really high level OSINT, not after you have told us how many internet directorships you hold, bearing in mind I've been a member of the site for >15 years, and you have a name that is not so common.

I did tell you I was in Security, if you need any pen testing done (real stalking) this takes time and effort, so costs a few quid - hopefully such a top exec would know this as you would have had all of your sites, apps etc tested. and verified and if you are running regular contracts with the NHS - I'd hope there is a contractual obligation for regular vulnerability assessments and penetration tests. 

Do I know what you do? No, but I do know you have worked in a sales role - is that still the case? fuck knows, but I'm willing to bet you have not completed a medical degree since you left your sales role, ergo point carries looking at the evidence - prima facie - sales

Yes, they can (btw Fibonacci, what is with the numbering sequences here? they need context) what would be useful is to know why? we have had no issues with surgery closures over here to my knowledge, but we also enforced strict quarantining for overseas arrivals, and halted incoming flights from problem areas - another question for your side of the globe (another reason to be negative I would suggest). So we can take confidence on why (local?)surgeries are closed, why people are not getting the required referrals from your family members and friends, how far does their network spread - are you aware of numbers in the NE, London, Watford (which I think was (almost) out of Oxygen in march/early April.

Again context man, what the fuck is this referring to?? 

 

Well hello there - Dr Leo Spaceman in the house!

 

"Hospital are by and large empty in the UK" - ok, provide the evidence (I'm not disputing the fact, but its a fucking sweeping generalisation, as Wom mentioned previously, he believes, consultants are unable to work as ancillary staff are busy on covid wards - so what is your suggestion here> stop treating the Covid patients and redeploy the staff? Seriously this is a question I have asked previously, what do you do?)

 

Yes DR Leo - its for you to provide reasons, as you have previously stated, this is where you can provide insights, provide something insightful, rather than bland apathy.

 

"Urgent suspected cancer referrals are down 75%"

Globally? UK wide? Wales, England?? down your fucking street??

 

you work in Healthcare, an old favourite, so you are using this to legitimise a statement, as you have done previous to 27/04 - for the sake off brevity I looked only at the last weeks worth of posts as there is an awful lot of bad statistics and bollocks on this thread (including my own wasted bits and bytes).

BTW, is it Dr Leo Spaceman or Siralan Sugar - difficult to pin down such a talented felafels, how do you fit it all in as well as post on here and manage your digital currency portfolios?

Now, Scott posted that he work as a data analyst for a large bank - I have confidence now that Scott is going to be useful for analysing data, I will take on board what he says and compare to other data analysts, Col works in care (in a defined role) -again I have confidence in what he is talking about, but old Dr Leo - all we know is you work in Health Care, and you think everything is going to be just fine, just need a good positive attitude - what's that old boy you're dead? well at least smile you're through the worst now. come on now mother, put on a brave face and give us a smile whilst the nurses use FaceTime to have a last goodbye.

 

this preoccupation with my mathematic ability? Are you getting confused with Carl Hiassen's neighbour? Do me and Howie have to form a tag team against the Siralan Dr Leo Spaceman Galvatron beast for the Berlin Countdown? (Final countdown - that was by Berlin as well wasn't it, maybe we can get Carol Vorderman out of retirement to do the round cards)

 

 

 

Ok Dr Siralan, lets look at the positive / negative aspects - let's try and have some perspective:

 

"It could be a lot worse" "Maybe its not as bad as we think"

 

there are ~50,000 dead in the UK, we have 95 - we are ~33% of the population size and with lower population density, it still doesn't account for the difference in recorded deaths. How much fucking worse could it get?? the country and it's inhabitants have been shat upon by the government once again, and people are out banging pots and pans because the fucking burst Albino Humpty Dumpty who has a responsibility for the situation is  alive and out of his fridge.

 

I stated in early March this was going to be a monumental fuck up in the UK, RP was trying to look at the positive aspects of it, here we are ~50,000 early death caused by a failure to act, lives sacrificed by government policy, policy that appears to be heavily influenced by an unelected Randian oddball who has a team adept at creating and distributing misinformation via digital media.

 

Again, the war analogy fails with relation to Covid, the closures of the pits in the 70's and 80's is a much better analogy, as those who are excusing the deaths (whether they be a month early or 60 years early, whether the person has underlying issues or not, these are deaths that could have been reduced or prevented by better handling).

The argument then was the same as now, it was a financial cost, to try to save them would have impacted other areas - we don't know how true that was as we have no direct comparison, with Covid - its all around the world, the comparisons are easy.

Still got to keep on smiling eh, nearly over, only ~50,000 down?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/16/number-coronavirus-pandemic

 

"People are understandably looking for good news. But the truth is, we’re nowhere near controlling coronavirus"

 

This is my reason for referring to epidemiologists - I was not suggesting you should add another string to your heavy bow.

 

"There have been more than 93,000 cases of Covid-19 identified in the UK. Let’s round that up and say it is 100,000. So if the reports from the BMJ editorial are accurate, the actual number would be that multiplied by five, in which case there would have already been half a million infections in the UK. If this really is the peak and we see as many cases on the way down as on the way up, that would total 1 million infections from the initial surge in the UK – hopefully all of those people would then be immune.

That would leave about 65 million people in the UK still without immunity.

I am going to be unusually optimistic here, and assume that everyone who has Covid-19 becomes fully immune (not a given), and that the virus is towards the less transmissible end of the range of estimates currently available. If this is the case, you would need half your population to have been infected to achieve a level of population immunity that would stop the epidemic continuing to grow and overwhelming healthcare systems. 

As I write the UK is reporting more than 10,000 deaths from Covid-19. Due to the realities of collecting data during an infectious disease emergency like this, that is likely to be an underestimate. Again, if we assume this is the peak and there is the same number on the way down that’s 20,000 total from the initial surge. And to get to population immunity you have to multiply that by at least 30: based on the current data, that’s about 600,000 deaths to get there, minimum.

Play Video

3:27

 What the UK's coronavirus death toll is not telling us – video explainer

Finding a vaccine to offer a complete solution to this pandemic is, even in the best scenarios, still a long way off. But it is not hard to see many ways we can slow the pace of the pandemic and save lives. One of them is greatly improved testing to identify cases and their contacts, which could be supplemented by clever digital methods to spot who has been at risk. 

Governments around the world are attempting ways to keep jobs and businesses afloat while lockdowns are in place – but the pressure remains to swiftly end such shutdowns. I get that this is going to be a mammoth strain on the economy. But the deaths of many thousands of people would be too: it is simply not possible to thoroughly insulate an economy from the impact of a pandemic of this kind.

Where I live, in Cambridge Massachusetts, I keep hearing sirens. This crisis is not close to over, quite the reverse. The pandemic is only just getting started.

• Dr William Hanage is a professor of the evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard"

 

Now - if this fella is not too optimistic and looking at his numbers, you can see why, then neither am I.

 

So  onto a non-antagonistic, serious question - Do you think that your positivity could in anyway be influenced by your ties to the NHS and the need to see it return to "normality" - I'm not having a crack, asking a serious question if most of your family is in one way or another involved in the supply of good and services to the NHS - are they being impacted? Could this provide a subconscious bias? of maybe yer just a salesman at heart who always looks at the bright side. I just don't see an upside to the way the UK has dealt with this, and people need to be fucking angry, I'm not talking about constantly angry and fucking sullen, there are some great things happening from Tim Burgess ditching the blonde locks and hosting listening parties to Tim Booth doing free gym classes and countless comedians, band, writers doing free gigs etc, but people need to get angry with the government and the press who helped install them.

There should be a fuck load more angry voices than the lefty socialist corbynistas, because if there aren't it means things are going to have to get much worse for things to change, so fuck apathy, look at the state of the nation, get angry, define yourself, fuck positivity.

 

This took a fuckload longer than it should have.

 

 

 

 

 

Ooof

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEwF34eel2I

 

Live press conference of Independent Sage (You can rewind it).

 

Was interesting to here from their meeting earlier how Greece dealt with people coming into the country. They quarantined everyone in hotels for 2 weeks. That's how you deal with a pandemic.

 

The group also were questioning why guidance was only 7 days isolating (instead of 2 weeks recommended by WHO) to which they've not had a response from the government.

[Dr Nowt]

34 minutes ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEwF34eel2I

 

Live press conference of Independent Sage (You can rewind it).

 

Was interesting to here from their meeting earlier how Greece dealt with people coming into the country. They quarantined everyone in hotels for 2 weeks. That's how you deal with a pandemic.

 

The group also were questioning why guidance was only 7 days isolating (instead of 2 weeks recommended by WHO) to which they've not had a response from the government.

Thanks for posting these. Fascinating.

 

I've got their You Tube channel linked now, but do you happen to know how often they've proposed to host these?

Presume weekly?