Coronavirus

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

 

they would die anyway, whether it’s now or in 2 years attitude, oh yeah and what do they and we miss in those lost 2 years - the only thing any of us truly care about - life?

Oh for the good old days when an elderly eskimo could just walk over the horizon with dignity.

[Sugar Ape]

8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

More importantly are they contagious during the time they are feeling fine - as other asymptomatics are.

From what I’ve read they don’t think they are infectious, goes without saying nothing is certain at this stage though. More info here:

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/17/health/south-korea-coronavirus-retesting-positive-intl-hnk/index.html

[Spy Bee]

8 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Deffo some bits in there mate, take Lewis Collins/ an innocent enough name to most, but to 70’s/80’s kids that is one half of the professionals, and the hero of who dares wins. 
sure we know it’s not the Lewis Collins, but it has a whiff of sentiment and so we are that bit more willing to consider. 
 

 

Ok, so let’s discuss sikora, his views, and those of his peers.

Those we should be looking to, rather than faceless idiots on the internet.
If people are willing to share their creds, and they are credible- then discuss.

but if you give it my birds mad parrot is seeing a veterinarian from Mozambique who sat next to a harvesters daughter, who caught a cold, and she said blech..., then maybe fuck it off, it’s not useful.

what is your balanced approach?

because as I see it, the closest parallel I have to right now, is the mine closures.

this is not a war.

this is the willing sacrifice of a section of society, in order to expediently return to normality for the rest of the community.

and it fucking stinks.

they would die anyway, whether it’s now or in 2 years attitude, oh yeah and what do they and we miss in those lost 2 years - the only thing any of us truly care about - life?

Are you willing to at least acknowledge that there are other causes of death than Covid-19?

[Section_31]

6 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

this is the willing sacrifice of a section of society, in order to expediently return to normality for the rest of the community.

and it fucking stinks.

they would die anyway, whether it’s now or in 2 years attitude, oh yeah and what do they and we miss in those lost 2 years - the only thing any of us truly care about - life?

I don't really understand this to be honest mate.

 

This assumes that a vaccine is coming and will definitely work, and that all we have to do is circle the wagons until it's ready. 

 

Even if that were to happen, people would walk out of their front doors in two years and there'd be nothing left anyway. 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

3 hours ago, Spy Bee said:

On your first point, if you mean keeping the reproduction rate at or below R1 then I agree, but most European countries gave up eradication as a strategy long ago.

On the second point I have highlighted, the hospitals are by and large empty in the UK. Many are considering starting elective surgery again. The new cases per day are falling despite the amount of testing significantly increasing. This might well be because they have let people die in their own homes and care homes rather than admitting them, but that is the fact of the matter.

 

The Tories have made an absolute balls of this, but the situation we are in now is not that bad (I'm not talking about the number of people who have already died, and I really shouldn't have to clarify that). We can't just hide away forever as there is a flip side to the coin. At some stage protecting people from Covid-19 actually damages individuals and society more and leads to more suffering and death from other causes.

Cancer referrals not happening, cancer treatments not happening, people not being able to get a doctor's appointment for a persistent headache etc. Domestic violence, mental health problems. The list goes on.

1. No I mean getting it much lower than 1.

2. No reason to stop cancer referrals, if anyting current state of play should make it easier to prioritise, less likely to have people with indigestion turn up thinking they are having a cardiac arrest etc, lower risk of self Id false positives.

donestic violence dies still go on. Flip side more people at home, should give more people an opportunity to hear it and look to assist or talk about it, not just use it as a lame arse excuse.

how many Granada reports on it, making it relevant.

mental health? Fuck the shrinks are rushed off their feet right now, all we have is outpourings of personal angst.

i am not denigrating mental health, I am saying current situation if identity politics, combined with social media monopoly and enforced lock down - there has never been a better time, there are more avenues and portals for listening and contact than ever before.

[Spy Bee]

4 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

No reason to stop cancer referrals, if anyting current state of play should make it easier to prioritise, less likely to have people with indigestion turn up thinking they are having a cardiac arrest etc, lower risk of self Id false positives.

But they are hugely down. You don't seem to want to accept that there is a flip side to the coin.

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

1. No I mean getting it much lower than 1.

 

No chance mate -- the flu is over 1 and has been around for years with people getting vaccinated that entire time.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

49 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

My 3 monthly scan has been pushed back till June. This is still just a provisional date. 

If the ICUs are not overrun, then what possible reason can they give for pushing back scheduled scans?

unless the consultants are weighing the danger of prone people attending hospital, and so stretching the time between appointments to have incremental gains in exposure?

surely the number of operational oncologists should not have decreased.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

29 minutes ago, SasaS said:

There is a case where a young person has been consistently testing positive for over 50 days, he had mild symptoms, should be healthy, but virus is apparently still somewhere.

Anecdotes <notequalsign> data

[Spy Bee]

33 minutes ago, SasaS said:

There is a case where a young person has been consistently testing positive for over 50 days, he had mild symptoms, should be healthy, but virus is apparently still somewhere.

Got a link?

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Got a link?

Type "coronavirus test positive 50 days" into google ya lazy fuck

[Sugar Ape]

One thing I’ve been considering with people saying more people are not getting the treatment they need for cancer, heart disease and other serious ailments is would they be getting the treatment they need if we lift restrictions and it starts to spread like wildfire and overwhelms the NHS? The answer is obviously no. Cancer referrals are down now, what would they be like with a bigger percentage of the population than we have now off work sick and dying?
 

Same with mental health issues (which I suffer from myself), I completely understand the lockdown is having an adverse effect on the mental health of a lot of people, but that will only get worse if they lift restrictions and deaths spike and everyone is even more scared to go out. 
 

It’s a difficult situation and obviously we can’t lockdown forever but at the minute I think some of the reasons people are pushing for ending the lockdown - so cancer referrals get back to normal for example - are missing the point that rather than going back to normal things could actually get a lot worse than they are now and we’d have even less capacity to treat these patients. 
 

Only way out I can see with a lack of a vaccine is to long term shield vulnerable people and expand the list of what we class as high risk. A huge percentage of the population suffer from high blood pressure and asthma and are obese so we need to have a discussion on how safe it is for these people to return to work and give them the option of staying at home if it is needed.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

18 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Are you willing to at least acknowledge that there are other causes of death than Covid-19?

No, I live in my ma’s ball sack and have no understanding of the world.

seriously wtf are you on about, yes , there are many more causes of death than Covid, there are boring the living fuck out of people, with dipstick opinions on the internet ways. 
no-one is disputing that there are other means of death, Covid is a a clear and present danger (does this language persuade you?):

if you allow it, it will exacerbate other illnesses, it is not understood - other than it kills.

take precautions, stay home, and do fuck all.

btw, on the stay home, no-one is sealed in people are still going for shopping, to b and q, the lock down is not a massive impact, it’s just enough for people to understand they are giving something up, and same as electing a socialist leader too many people are worried about their fat arse shrinking by the requirement to get off it or pay for others to do so.

[Barrington Womble]

14 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

If the ICUs are not overrun, then what possible reason can they give for pushing back scheduled scans?

unless the consultants are weighing the danger of prone people attending hospital, and so stretching the time between appointments to have incremental gains in exposure?

surely the number of operational oncologists should not have decreased.

The oncologist is not the issue, I've had a phone consult with him, it's the imaging dept, that was actually shut when I spoke to him (2 weeks ago). I assume the nurses and reception people have been reallocated to other more critical roles. Even though ICU is not over run as in there are people in corridors, I'm sure I saw on the update a day or two back that 60% of ICU beds are currently used by covid patients. So I'm guessing ICU must still be quite near capacity. 

[Spy Bee]

9 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Type "coronavirus test positive 50 days" into google ya lazy fuck

I did and didn't find it!

[Sugar Ape]

6 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I did and didn't find it!

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/model-23-still-testing-positive-21919526.amp

[Sugar Ape]

I’d like to examine her myself just to make sure she’s being genuine. 
 

 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

26 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I don't really understand this to be honest mate.

 

This assumes that a vaccine is coming and will definitely work, and that all we have to do is circle the wagons until it's ready. 

 

Even if that were to happen, people would walk out of their front doors in two years and there'd be nothing left anyway. 

To be blunt it’s a clash of ideologies, we are at extremes on a fundamental- the value of life now, or the calculated value of life in the future.

will a vaccine arrive? Well according to spybee it’s due in about 5 months.

the point of flattening the curve is (was) to reduce lives lost, this is why we elect our government - to protect us.

its not to prolong the run of deaths, I mean that lacks any kind of

logic other than to reduce the populace to a gradual increase in mortality amongst bathe over 70s - is that really what we have achieved as we enter the third decade of the 21st century?

Back to ideologies - one of them led to austerity, and continues to drive down any chance of social uprising.

compare it to the miners strikes - those mines are dead, loss making - nothing can come of them, shut them down, we need this for the future.

but we don’t know the other half of the story do we as history is written wit the pen of the victors.

We don’t know what could have happened had the mines stayed open. 
germany kept manufacturing alive, through far darker times.

We don’t know what would have happened had the nazis won, or maybe now we do.
2 years - nothing left? But we are always told about the malleability and adaptability of the human, why would there be nothing left? A different future is possible, the world is showing us that, we just need to be a bit more willing to give some shit up. And we get asked to make this decision regularly and keep in fucking it up.

[SasaS]

12 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Got a link?

No, it was from an interview with one of the heads of epidemiology in Croatia, may not have been reported in English. 

They believe the virus may have attached itself to the mucus somewhere, also, they don't know if the person is still contagious. 

It was part of the hypothesis why some people may look as if they have been infected again.

[TheHowieLama]

8 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I did and didn't find it!

How is it possible you find reams of certain stuff but cannot find the first page of a google search.

[Funkasy]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

This actually sounds like positive news in terms of "can people get it twice". In South Korea the fear was that people had beaten it and then contracted it again from someone else. In the Faroas the reins are so tight that can't have happened, so it sounds more like it takes a while to die off or the tests still aren't that accurate.

Yes, its 99% sure that they did not get it from someone else because of the low cases of positives and the only 3 new cases we have had since the 4th of april have all been people coming through the airport. 

 

But on the other had when the fuck does the virus really die is the other question. 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

33 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

But they are hugely down. You don't seem to want to accept that there is a flip side to the coin.

Why? Go and ask your politicians why? There is no reason, if you have people on lockdown other than for health and key workers, then why?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Matt Hancock praising the Daily Mail because they're trying to do something he has utterly, abjectly failed to do.

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/model-23-still-testing-positive-21919526.amp

Don't use that one - makes it look silly.

 

The case Sasas was talking about I believe is a Doctor herself. Dr Marilyn Stebbens.

[SasaS]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

How is it possible you find reams of certain stuff but cannot find the first page of a google search.

Apparently there is a case in China with over 60 days of positivity. May be easier to find on Google.