Coronavirus

[cloggypop]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

I think that's a bit narrow minded with all due respect. If there are quotes, I will read anything and draw my own conclusions.

I think you should learn to check your sources before spreading conspiracy shite. 

 

Learn how to think for yourself rather than gobble up everything. 

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

I think you should learn to check your sources before spreading conspiracy shite. 

Learn to play the ball. This has been reported elsewhere too, I just happened to find this link when I Googled.

[cloggypop]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

Learn to play the ball. This has been reported elsewhere too, I just happened to find this link when I Googled.

That's because you Google loads of conspiracy websites. 

[Spy Bee]

And this latest information, shows that deaths did peak on April 8th

 

 

What do you actually dispute with this theory, or is criticising the source all you have?

[Colonel Bumcunt]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

If you read the thread there are 128 accounts purportedly NHS staff supporting the Government's herd immunity idea. Some of them appear to be using photographs of genuine staff who knew nothing about it.

Yes, it seems the government has been busy using fake twitter accounts.

Regardless of why you use fake twitter accounts, that's dystopian.

And to do so during a public health emergency, that's fucked up.

And to use those fake accounts to counter their own public views on tackling the virus, that's criminal. 

And to steal people's identities to do that, that's criminal.

And to use nurses and doctors, that's fucking nefarious. 

 

If true, this brings down a government. 

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

It won't bring down a Tory government. 

[Mudface]

2 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

And this latest information, shows that deaths did peak on April 8th

 

 

What do you actually dispute with this theory, or is criticising the source all you have?

What theory? He's just saying that the peak likely happened around the 8th, a couple of weeks following the lockdown.

 

 

[Moo]

3 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Yes, it seems the government has been busy using fake twitter accounts.

Regardless of why you use fake twitter accounts, that's dystopian.

And to do so during a public health emergency, that's fucked up.

And to use those fake accounts to counter their own public views on tackling the virus, that's criminal. 

And to steal people's identities to do that, that's criminal.

And to use nurses and doctors, that's fucking nefarious. 

 

If true, this brings down a government. 

 

No chance, they are untouchable, Brexit has seen to that. 

[Spy Bee]

2 minutes ago, Mudface said:

What theory? He's just saying that the peak likely happened around the 8th, a couple of weeks following the lockdown.

 

 

Theory is the peak came before lockdown.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

2 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

It won't bring down a Tory government. 

Their usual cheerleaders are already deserting them.

The Times, LBC, suddenly there's dissent.

The Tories are putting them in an undefendable posiition.  

Piers Morgan rang the alarm first, and slowly they're all seeing this is a bullet train to oblivion. 

 

 

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

7 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

 

If true, this brings down a government. 

 

 

Maybe if the electorate weren't mostly rock-chewingly stupid.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

3 minutes ago, Moo said:

No chance, they are untouchable, Brexit has seen to that. 

Fuck Brexit.  There will be no Brexit in any recognised form.

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

out of interest, just came out of a local authority meeting where it was mentioned that a great many businesses are falling 'between the cracks' because instead of paying business rates to central government (thereby not being on the central government database of businesses eligible for support) they have been paying council tax instead.

 

Is this legal?  Any of you familiar with this practice? 

[DJLJ]

So according to NSO, the UK are underreporting the deaths by 41%. Perhaps that is why it 'peaked earlier? They aren't reporting correctly, so have no idea. 

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-casualties/covid-19-death-toll-in-england-41-higher-than-early-data-suggested-ons-idUKKBN223103

 

COVID-19 death toll in England 41% higher than early data suggested - ONS

A man wearing a protective face mask and gloves walks over Westminster bridge as the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues, London, Britain, April 21, 2020. REUTERS/Peter Nicholls

LONDON (Reuters) - The true extent of the death toll in England and Wales from COVID-19 was 41% higher than the daily figures from the government indicated by April 10, according to data on Tuesday that includes deaths in the community. 

 

The Office for National Statistics said it recorded 13,121 deaths by April 10, compared with 9,288 in the government’s daily toll for those who died in hospital. 

 

COVID-19, the respiratory disease caused by the novel coronavirus, was mentioned in a third of all death certificates issued in England and Wales in the week to April 19. 

In London, more than half of the death certificates issued that week mentioned COVID-19. 

The latest hospital deaths data published on Monday show 16,509 people had died across the United Kingdom.

 

 

 

[Section_31]

I've always suspected they're determined to keep the daily death rate below a thousand, by fair means or foul. 

[Mudface]

24 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

Theory is the peak came before lockdown.

But that Tweet doesn't suggest that. The UK went into lockdown on the 23rd of March and peak deaths according to that data look to have occurred on the 8th of April.

[Spy Bee]

1 minute ago, Mudface said:

But that Tweet doesn't suggest that. The UK went into lockdown on the 23rd of March and peak deaths according to that data look to have occurred on the 8th of April.

Read the article.

[Marko121]

The Torygraph running a story that British companies are selling PPE and ventilators over seas. Why? Because despite offering these to our government, they have yet to receive any response. 

[SasaS]

I am increasingly leaning towards the theory that lockdowns were not particularly effective, introduced mostly because the authorities everywhere panicked that there will be a lot of dead people and they must be seen to be doing something, preferably something drastic.

There is probably a window of opportunity where lockdown makes sense, but it is difficult to spot it and probably comes too early for the elected governments to decide to implement drastic measures. Mostly eastern European countries that were largely spared could do it because the west was already shutting down (too late) and they were still within this window of opportunity. They will all be struggling in the following weeks what to do (they already are in fact) because the authorities are either scared shitless that once people start dying again in greater numbers it would be on them, or they have dreamed all their political life about a day when they could start treating their population as prison inmates on a furlough.

[clockspeed]

12 minutes ago, DJLJ said:

So according to NSO, the UK are underreporting the deaths by 41%. Perhaps that is why it 'peaked earlier? They aren't reporting correctly, so have no idea. 

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-casualties/covid-19-death-toll-in-england-41-higher-than-early-data-suggested-ons-idUKKBN223103

 

COVID-19 death toll in England 41% higher than early data suggested - ONS

A man wearing a protective face mask and gloves walks over Westminster bridge as the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues, London, Britain, April 21, 2020. REUTERS/Peter Nicholls

LONDON (Reuters) - The true extent of the death toll in England and Wales from COVID-19 was 41% higher than the daily figures from the government indicated by April 10, according to data on Tuesday that includes deaths in the community. 

 

The Office for National Statistics said it recorded 13,121 deaths by April 10, compared with 9,288 in the government’s daily toll for those who died in hospital. 

 

COVID-19, the respiratory disease caused by the novel coronavirus, was mentioned in a third of all death certificates issued in England and Wales in the week to April 19. 

In London, more than half of the death certificates issued that week mentioned COVID-19. 

The latest hospital deaths data published on Monday show 16,509 people had died across the United Kingdom.

 

 

 

He said only around 80% of coronavirus deaths were in a hospital. In the previous week that figure was 90%, he said. He said 13% of coronavirus deaths were in a care home, and 5% were in a private home. In the previous week there were 217 coronavirus deaths in care homes. In the week up to 10 April there were just over 1,000.

 

 

 

dont want them move reporting goalposts again but very obvious to those who are recording deaths the daily figures no relation to what is happening in the country. Stick to hospital deaths at minute but this does not look good.

[cloggypop]

Medical advisers have been accused of lying to the British public about the coronavirus pandemic to prop up the government.

Richard Horton, the editor of medical journal The Lancet, criticised the government’s advisers, accused them of telling “manifest untruths”.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-government-advisers-lying-to-support-regime-with-collapsing-credibility-says-lancet-editor/ar-BB12UmAC?fbclid=IwAR06lBLbtVNMJ6ulpf2hY3LYcG09ak9sAdsj2ABAF2A9uJC5iZsqBA8NFzg

[Pureblood]

Interesting read regarding the Santa Clara study carried out by Stanford Uni and published in Nature, which was very widely reported but seems to be dubious.  Other nerds are very sceptical of its findings and are even demanding an apology from its authors. 

 

https://www.ocregister.com/2020/04/20/feud-over-stanford-coronavirus-study-the-authors-owe-us-all-an-apology/

 

[Pureblood]

6 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Medical advisers have been accused of lying to the British public about the coronavirus pandemic to prop up the government.

Richard Horton, the editor of medical journal The Lancet, criticised the government’s advisers, accused them of telling “manifest untruths”.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-government-advisers-lying-to-support-regime-with-collapsing-credibility-says-lancet-editor/ar-BB12UmAC?fbclid=IwAR06lBLbtVNMJ6ulpf2hY3LYcG09ak9sAdsj2ABAF2A9uJC5iZsqBA8NFzg

Thanks for this.  He backs up my view of Dr Jenny Harries as an evil lying hag-witch. 

[clockspeed]

26 minutes ago, Marko121 said:

The Torygraph running a story that British companies are selling PPE and ventilators over seas. Why? Because despite offering these to our government, they have yet to receive any response. 

Add testing kits to that list 

[Bjornebye]

Has nothing been reported about these fake twitter accounts set up by the government ? No? Well to be fair they got away with it last time the lying shitheads