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12 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Yep. Anyone old enough to remember how the police were allowed to conduct themselves during the miners strikes under Thatchers Tories ? 

I remember it only too well, Iwas lucky poor Ian Tomlinson from the G20 protests and many others were not,

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/apr/19/police-g20-tomlinson-assault

 

I am extremely nervous when I see police being granted extra powers. History tells us it rarely ends well. 

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9 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Hmm.You may be right, herd immunity by stealth, however lockdowns have consequences, it can very quickly escalate to a big brother situation.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-derbyshire-52055201

 

Got to be careful the cure dosnt do more damage than the virus. The red cross are predicting unrest in major European cities as the poor have little income or escape. 

 

It's ok to preach restraint and the stay at home for 3 month mantra if you're an Ian Duncan Smith type with tennis courts and swimming pools in your garden, bit different if you live on the tenth floor of a high rise with a couple of kids and no money.

 

Also its humane to protect the old and vulnerable but it's the youngsters who are going to foot the bill. Youngsters who already have a bad rap economically. Maybe the government should float the idea a 50% inheritance tax, see how generous and appreciative the older generation are.

 

Now quoting trump, what a prick.

yer not a socialist, yer an arsehole.

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6 minutes ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

Now quoting trump, what a prick.

yer not a socialist, yer an arsehole.

 

Quoting trump is never good. But there are points in there. Staying indoors varies in difficulty. I'm a software engineer. Not too bad. Work from home. Lost the gfs part time wages. Things are tight for a while but as long as we don't get sick we'll be ok. A lot aren't as lucky.

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Amazing there are people out there who still believe China's figures.

 

Must be a communist cover up. I suppose Japan and Korea are in on it too seeing as they've done so well at containing it compared to western countries.

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8 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Quoting trump is never good. But there are points in there. Staying indoors varies in difficulty. I'm a software engineer. Not too bad. Work from home. Lost the gfs part time wages. Things are tight for a while but as long as we don't get sick we'll be ok. A lot aren't as lucky.

I did not quote trump I made what I thought was a valid point that it's not a one size fits all solution and as the red cross warns could lead to trouble.

 

It's far easier to stay home for 3 months if you live in a house with a large garden and an indoor swimming pool when you are financially secure compared to living in a high rise with a couple of young kids bored out of their brains.

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10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I did not quote trump I made what I thought was a valid point that it's not a one size fits all solution and as the red cross warns could lead to trouble.

 

It's far easier to stay home for 3 months if you live in a house with a large garden and an indoor swimming pool when you are financially secure compared to living in a high rise with a couple of young kids bored out of their brains.

So what do you suggest?  All you do is moan about the situation without suggesting solutions.  Now, financially the government has done what it can more or less and as someone who hates the Tory party I acknowledge that they have gone beyond what I expected of them.  So some credit where it's due.  In return I will stick to my side of the bargain and stay the fuck at home.  That's the deal.

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34 minutes ago, Aw Geez said:

 

Quoting trump is never good. But there are points in there. Staying indoors varies in difficulty. I'm a software engineer. Not too bad. Work from home. Lost the gfs part time wages. Things are tight for a while but as long as we don't get sick we'll be ok. A lot aren't as lucky.

Because there is a subtext to what he posts, it come lower down.

a subtext that he has used previously, that the young will foot the bill for the old, which always neglects the fact that it is

most likely the poor old who will be lost, not the fucking richer.

so he waffles shit about the affluent middle classes with swimming pools who will be ok.

see graham has form, he’s a Brexit bellend. Which has also caused and will continue to cause untold harm to the poor and elderly.

in short he’s a bit like those fucking blue labour gobshites.

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39 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

What the fuck are you on about? I'm repeating a warning from the red cross.

When you said we should be careful that "the cure doesnt do more damage than the virus", that's the same as what Trump, Bolsonaro and a lot of right wingers have been saying. Those that would prefer we just get the economy moving again, even if it means the virus going completely out of control.

 

I agree along with many others that it's not good seeing authorities bringing out all of these measures, it's not a normal situation though and the main thing is that anything they introduce is temporary. If they try keeping some of it we just have to try and fight against that at a later point.

 

Just trying to let this go though risks the virus spreading around the world unchecked, which could lead to more deaths than the plague of the 1300's.

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1 minute ago, TK421 said:

So what do you suggest?  All you do is moan about the situation without suggesting solutions.  Now, financially the government has done what it can more or less and as someone who hates the Tory party I acknowledge that they have gone beyond what I expected of them.  So some credit where it's due.  In return I will stick to my side of the bargain and stay the fuck at home.  That's the deal.

Well obviously all over 70s and vulnerable should stay out of harm's way.

 

Its difficult but I see no reason why children in deprived areas should not be allowed to use public parks for a couple of hours a day as long as they are with a parent and keep distance.

 

Also why not let children use library facilities for an hour a couple of times a week as long as they maintain distance and use sanitizer etc.

 

The problem is a government lack of testing, lack of ventilators lack of resources and lack of planning not some kid stuck on the eighth floor.

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3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well obviously all over 70s and vulnerable should stay out of harm's way.

 

Its difficult but I see no reason why children in deprived areas should not be allowed to use public parks for a couple of hours a day as long as they are with a parent and keep distance.

 

Also why not let children use library facilities for an hour a couple of times a week as long as they maintain distance and use sanitizer etc.

 

The problem is a government lack of testing, lack of ventilators lack of resources and lack of planning not some kid stuck on the eighth floor.

A couple of hours will turn into a day out at the park. The same way people drive at 80 or 90 instead of 70. 

 

Children are germ spreading little scruffs and can't be trusted. Guess what, people who have kids are responsible for them no matter what including when a new virus rears its head.  Libraries don't need to be open - we have the internet. 

 

Not everything is down to the government.   We have to fulfil our side of the bargain and stay the fuck at home. 

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16 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The problem is a government lack of testing, lack of ventilators lack of resources and lack of planning not some kid stuck on the eighth floor.

 

Kids all of a sudden being allowed to use parks will probably lead to mistakes around the country setting off more chains of the virus spreading around. And without widespread testing and contact tracing that could lead to a load more strain on the NHS and more deaths.

 

If government plans to get millions of testing kits released works out and they work properly that could be the start of things improving, but this lockdown without proper testing doesn't seem like enough, looks like something else is going to have to change.

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The constancy of mentioning these kids on the 8th floor and contrasting them with people who have swimming pools in their houses, as a reason for people’s movement not to be curbed, is like a reverse version of saying “Cut benefits as a small percentage fiddle the system/there’s a Somalian refugee with 2 kids in a 19 bedroom mansion in Knightsbridge on YOUR tax dollar”. 
 

It’s wrong-headed, emotive claptrap purely to try and top trump an argument, because oddly there are nuances and a whole mass of people in the middle of those two polarised examples, who are going out and about much further than they need to for essential items or daily exercise. And not just here, all over the world until legal enforcement is being laid down, because yes, it’s fucking tough to do it and virtually nobody would choose to.
 

I live in a small one bed flat with no outside space and will be here indefinitely, not even allowed out the front door. Outdoor exercise is rather important in my personal situation. It is not marvellous. I can still get a bit of fresh air without jumping in my car and driving to the Pennines, or I can suck it up for a while because I don’t fancy dying of a virus or passing it on to someone else who might.

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