Coronavirus

[Oh Buoy]

14 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Just braved the supermarket myself as was unable to get all kinds at the weekend. When I parked up, I was positive, it didn't seem busy, although maybe busier than a normal Monday afternoon Then I got inside and saw why. Fucking hell, I thought it was bad at the weekend. So aside from all the bits from the weekend being empty, loads of the perishable and frozen stuff is gone now. There's bread and milk, which is something I suppose. Oh and plenty of ice cream and the Linda McCartney frozen section was rammed. I couldn't get anything I needed. Ended up just buying the kids chocolates and getting milk and bread. 

 

Did the exact same. Went in with a list of basic shit I couldn't get at the weekend (eggs, bod wash etc) and came out with some crumpets and kitchen roll (got eyed up by every shopper thinking I'd just sourced some new stock bog roll). There's also a weird anxiety about it all, thinking you're adding to the problem especially when you're kicking over some elderly cunt who's just got their corona-filled mitts on the last jar of pesto.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Shops getting back to a bit of normality over here due to the new rules reference hoarding. What I have noticed though is that the wankers are putting out all the expensive products that they usually find harder to shift. 

[Jenson]

27 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Junk mailers, providing an essential physical link to every property in the neighbourhood. Wearing gloves, glad he's looking after himself.

Unless the gloves are being changed regularly, they offer no protection to either himself or others.

[Davelfc]

Just watching the W.H.O. press conference on sky news, they are stating 'TEST, TEST and TEST' and what are we doing?

 

Happy birthday to you......

 

 

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

44 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

First bit of German I ever learnt was "ze fallen Madonna vit ze big boobiez".

The real question though is will Allo Allo  make it on the TLW best British sitcom vote? 

8 minutes ago, Philtrum said:

Just watching the W.H.O. press conference on sky news, they are stating 'TEST, TEST and TEST' and what are we doing?

 

Happy birthday to you......

 

 

 

 

I'm convinced we haven't got tests or at least don't want to spend money on them. They've made an economic choice. This only fucks people with underlying issues, so just test them once they're critical in hospital to make sure we're treating the right thing. 

[Sugar Ape]

Backs up what I was saying the other day which is that asking people to self isolate for only seven days over here seems much too short a time period. Should be 14 days minimum if not longer. 
 

 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

The real question though is will Allo Allo  make it on the TLW best British sitcom vote? 

 

Just missed out. 

[SasaS]

There is an article in FT arguing that experience with SARS and other recent epidemics was at the heart of success (so far) in Korea and Taiwan, which made them set up chain of command and procedures for quick reaction, and they can rely on high level of awareness (discipline) in the general public. Things European countries lack. So, will do much better in the next pandemic.

[Davelfc]

4 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

The real question though is will Allo Allo  make it on the TLW best British sitcom vote? 

I'm convinced we haven't got tests or at least don't want to spend money on them. They've made an economic choice. This only fucks people with underlying issues, so just test them once they're critical in hospital to make sure we're treating the right thing. 

It's a bit mad, my son who is under self isolation (they said they'd test him last week and then Boris changed it all) and after speaking to 111 in the middle of last night had to go back to the hospital, tight chest and breathing issues. They checked him over and sent him home to continue his isolation. No test still. 

 

So has he got it, who knows. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Philtrum said:

It's a bit mad, my son who is under self isolation (they said they'd test him last week and then Boris changed it all) and after speaking to 111 in the middle of last night had to go back to the hospital, tight chest and breathing issues. They checked him over and sent him home to continue his isolation. No test still. 

 

So has he got it, who knows. 

Hope he is ok mate. 

[SasaS]

Containing coronavirus: lessons from Asia (FT; paywall)


Early travel restrictions, aggressive testing and screening of contacts and strict quarantine rules have been key. Universal healthcare, clear management structures for the public health response and proactive communication to get the population on board have also helped. These policies have managed to contain the virus in Taiwan and Singapore and reduce or slow infection rates in South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan. While the World Health Organization has suggested other countries learn from China, which it has praised for “perhaps the most ambitious, agile and aggressive disease containment effort in history”, some health experts believe that Asia’s democracies, such as Taiwan and South Korea, may be better models for epidemic management in western countries, given the different nature of the Chinese political system.“One of the most important factors in the success of our response has been transparency,” says Chang Shan-chwen, a leading expert on infectious diseases and convener of the expert advisory panel to the Central Epidemic Command Center, which manages Taipei’s response. “In [China’s] autocratic system, every citizen will stay at home when told so. But this is something which cannot be easily achieved in free and democratic countries.” The bad news for western governments, however, is that one vital component of the Asian response cannot be replicated. The region’s approach has been shaped by the traumatic memories of other recent epidemics — most notably Sars — which meant that governments were better prepared to react fast and forcefully and populations much more willing to co-operate.
..Even more ubiquitous are alerts flashing on smartphone screens updating the public on new infections in their area, as well as health officials’ twice-daily broadcasts updating containment efforts. The focus on open communication, coupled with an online system to track those people who have been infected, has helped limit the spread of the virus.The approach appears to be working. South Korea was stunned in late February after a cluster of cases connected to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, a quasi-Christian sect, saw the number of infections soar to more than 5,000 from fewer than 50 over the course of 10 days. Now, 270,000 tests and countless alerts and press conferences later, the number of daily new cases has declined from more than 900 at its peak to 76 on Sunday, with a total of 8,162 people infected. The country is not yet out of the woods — 100 cases discovered at a call centre in Seoul last week left officials on edge about further clusters. But the success to date reflects that tough lessons have been learnt from the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus, which infected 185, killed 38 and caused public panic in 2015. In June that year a special WHO committee lambasted Seoul for a series of critical shortcomings including a lack of awareness of the virus among both healthcare workers and the general public, poor infection control measures in hospitals and infected patients failing to remain isolated. Jegal Dong-wook, a professor of laboratory medicine at the Catholic University of Korea Seoul St Mary’s Hospital, says many hospitals have since been equipped with infection control units and negative pressure rooms, which are used to isolate infected patients. The country’s infectious disease guidelines were also overhauled, advising people with respiratory symptoms to first visit a specialist screening centre rather than hospitals...
...But the biggest effect came on the political front in a country where politics is usually every bit as partisan as anything in Washington. After frequent quarrels and miscommunication between central and local governments during the Sars outbreak, Prof Su devised a unique management structure: infectious diseases specialists at medical centres across Taiwan are seconded to a body called the Central Epidemic Command Center, which is run out of CDC. The chair of the command centre has equal rank with government ministers. Medical professionals and government officials say the structure helps override politics and ensure a rapid response.Through a sweeping legislative overhaul, Taiwan created a legal basis for limiting civil liberties under an epidemic and allowing it to fine those who violate quarantine rules. All those reforms were tested during the H1N1 influenza outbreak in 2009. “It allowed us to spot things that didn’t work, and many amendments were made since then,” says Prof Chang...
...The current epidemic has put the system fully to the test — one that Taiwan appears so far to have passed. Although it has more frequent exchanges with China than almost any other country, with over 1m of its citizens living or working there and more than 2.7m Chinese visiting the island last year, Taiwan now ranks just 50th in terms of confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide.
Taipei was alerted to the outbreak in Wuhan early. In late December, health officials started screening passengers on flights arriving from the Chinese city before allowing them to disembark. On January 23 — when the lockdown in Wuhan began — Taipei suspended all flights to and from the city, barred Wuhan residents from entering the country and imposed daily health monitoring for people with respiratory symptoms who had arrived from anywhere in China. On January 26, Taiwan became the first country to bar practically all Chinese citizens from entry.
The immigration and health insurance departments linked up their databases, allowing the government to spot people with higher risk of infection. As more information became available about transmission paths and incubation periods, Taipei tightened quarantine requirements. It also cast its net more widely by testing respiratory diseases patients for coronavirus who had tested negative for influenza — an initiative that uncovered Taiwan’s first local transmissions and helped stop them before a community spread developed. International experts praise the response. “Taiwan is an example of how a society can respond quickly to a crisis and protect the interests of its citizens,” concluded a group of US-based scholars in a paper published earlier this month.
But western governments do not appear to have taken much notice. “Maybe there are some health experts hoping that we can help them with testing,” says Prof Chang. “But with regard to public health management, nobody has been in touch for advice.”

[Davelfc]

16 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Hope he is ok mate. 

He's fine, but thanks. 

 

He used to smoke, hasn't for years. but he does vape so I'm wondering if that has contributed to it. Fortunately he hasn't got any underlying conditions. 

[Pidge]

26 minutes ago, Jenson said:

Unless the gloves are being changed regularly, they offer no protection to either himself or others.

Quite.

 

Wash your gloves thoroughly.

 

[Bjornebye]

Not just the elderly... Although he did already have a condition.  

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/francisco-garcia-death-coronavirus-malaga-spain-football-coach-leukaemia-a9404566.html

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

When is BoJo supposed to rock the mic on this?

[Davelfc]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

When is BoJo supposed to rock the mic on this?

After his afternoon nap, 1645hrs. 

 

Fuck Branson and his £7.4bn, spend that on fucking testing! 

[Barrington Womble]

22 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Just missed out. 

Racist. I was actually watching Allo Allo yesterday on one of those shit channels you normally don't put on. It still makes me chuckle after all these years. Almost like an 80s TV carry on. 

19 minutes ago, Philtrum said:

It's a bit mad, my son who is under self isolation (they said they'd test him last week and then Boris changed it all) and after speaking to 111 in the middle of last night had to go back to the hospital, tight chest and breathing issues. They checked him over and sent him home to continue his isolation. No test still. 

 

So has he got it, who knows. 

It's shocking mate. Hope your lad is ok. I've got my eldest at home too. She's just got a cough and I'm certain she hasn't got it, but the missus is certain she is as her mates husband has been diagnosed with it and the early symptoms are supposedly the same. She doesn't sound as bad as your boy though and whole she has a cough, she certainly has no respiratory issues. 

[A Red]

I was meant to be flying out to Madeira this morning so i've been mowing damp grass to cheer myself up.

 

[Davelfc]

Just now, A Red said:

I was meant to be flying out to Madeira this morning so i've been mowing damp grass to cheer myself up.

 

euphemism? prison slang?

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Philtrum said:

euphemism? prison slang?

The latter

[Bjornebye]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

The litter

Fixed 

[Davelfc]

14 days now for those with certain symptoms, should have been that before

 

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

38 minutes ago, Philtrum said:

It's a bit mad, my son who is under self isolation (they said they'd test him last week and then Boris changed it all) and after speaking to 111 in the middle of last night had to go back to the hospital, tight chest and breathing issues. They checked him over and sent him home to continue his isolation. No test still. 

 

So has he got it, who knows. 

 

Hope your lad recovers quickly mate. Just picked my eldest son up from work, not sure why his boss still has them working in an office environment when they are doing front end web design, they could easily set up home office for everyone. Anyway, one of his work colleagues turned up and said one of the kids where his son goes to school tested positive so all the school children and families have been told to self isolate to be on the safe side, then this fool rocks up to work. The boss went mad and sent him home, but not much use if his son and himself are infected. The kid who tested positive was in a different year to this blokes son, so the chances of him having it are probably slim, but just another example of people not taking it seriously and being stupid. 

[Red Phoenix]

Johnson : "We're leading a campaign to fight back against this disease."

 

[TheHowieLama]

We are inside through March, ma, pa and the three stooges - but lets be honest.

This is certainly already moving through the homeless/rough sleep population. So literally on the streets.

Can't isolate forever.