Russia

[Gnasher]

On 24/02/2021 at 16:51, Bjornebye said:

Did Pussy Riot ever get seen again? 

Dunno but hope they never get heard of again, what a fucking racket.

[Bjornebye]

22 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

They influenced Brexit vote, the GE, two US presidential elections, a lot of east European politics, large swathes of Africa in both cyber and infrastructure/soft power projects.

 

This is not factoring in the current power play they are living out with the Sputnik vaccine.

 

Just because they don't have bayonets doesn't mean they're not aggressors.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-23/uk-counterintelligence-focus-on-terrorism-not-russian-spies/12482108

I'm sure they are allowed to do shit. "Blame Russia" If they posed an actual threat it would be different. I'm sure when phone signal masts go down they blame the west. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Dunno but hope they never get heard of again, what a fucking racket.

Yeah they aren't a Tatu 

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

I'm sure they are allowed to do shit. "Blame Russia" If they posed an actual threat it would be different. I'm sure when phone signal masts go down they blame the west. 

 

Like China, they're too big to blame.

 

'We' don't have the will nor the inclination to face it head on.

 

They have annexed land, involved themselves in the elections of other nations, killed people on others land, imprisoned dissenters and opponents and in China's case committed something akin to genocide.

 

The only reason 'we' are not steaming in is we don't know if we can win and the collateral damage, both ideologically and morally, isn't worth it, so we'll continue to fight proxy wars like Syria, because the other option is unimmaginable.

 

It will come in some guise at some point though, it has to.

[Gnasher]

36 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

They own large parts of London and have a representative in the House Of Lords. 

Reds under the bed. As for the house of Lords I'd put in number 9 from the list below 

 

https://www.rbth.com/arts/2013/10/24/14_brits_who_are_secretly_russians_31123.html

[Bjornebye]

17 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Like China, they're too big to blame.

 

'We' don't have the will nor the inclination to face it head on.

 

They have annexed land, involved themselves in the elections of other nations, killed people on others land, imprisoned dissenters and opponents and in China's case committed something akin to genocide.

 

The only reason 'we' are not steaming in is we don't know if we can win and the collateral damage, both ideologically and morally, isn't worth it, so we'll continue to fight proxy wars like Syria, because the other option is unimmaginable.

 

It will come in some guise at some point though, it has to.

Money. Thats all it boils down too. Why haven't the UN gone into certain places? Money. 

[Section_31]

I was around when Reagan and Gorbachev were going at it, I lived through the 80s by the skin of my nuts.

[cloggypop]

2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I was around when Reagan and Gorbachev were going at it, I lived through the 80s by the skin of my nuts.

 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

I think China are most likely to make a move on them first.  It's not like us, the EU or USA are likely to retaliate, and truth be known we'd be happier living with one big storm cloud instead of two.  

 

Russia can't keep this act up forever, someone will call their bluff. 

[TheHowieLama]

Navalny apparently near dying - anyday now.

[Bjornebye]

31 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Navalny apparently near dying - anyday now.

Twats 

[Gnasher]

Russia on the border of Ukraine. Ukraine, just one of the easten bloc countries the EU has foolishly been wanting to welcome to the fold. 

 

 

Edit.. Typical political leader of our times, cause conflict but when danger arrives hide under the bed..

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/european-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-ukraine-30th-anniversary-independence/

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9482475/PETER-HITCHENS-Dont-blame-Russia-ones-pushing-war.html

 

 

[Section_31]

Washington’s ambassador to Moscow has announced that he will return to the US for consultations, days after the Russian government recommended he leave the country during what it said was an “extremely tense situation”.

John Sullivan’s departure will leave both countries’ embassies without their top diplomats at a crucial moment, with Washington and Moscow recently announcing new sanctions, a Russian military buildup near Ukraine, and concerns about the opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s health while in detention.

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Washington’s ambassador to Moscow has announced that he will return to the US for consultations, days after the Russian government recommended he leave the country during what it said was an “extremely tense situation”.

John Sullivan’s departure will leave both countries’ embassies without their top diplomats at a crucial moment, with Washington and Moscow recently announcing new sanctions, a Russian military buildup near Ukraine, and concerns about the opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s health while in detention.

I'm not sure the residents of the town below are enjoying a few nights peaceful sleep.  

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/18/what-do-they-want-from-us-as-russian-forces-amass-a-ukraine-frontier-town-feels-fear-and-despair

 

[DJLJ]

On 20/08/2020 at 09:06, Section_31 said:

How long before some mercenaries turn up in Belarus, or maybe a few full armoured columns.

After their latest stunt, looks like the EU will be the ones doing the invading…sounds like it was the president himself ordering it. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/roman-protasevich-ryanair-plane-diverted-to-belarus-so-opposition-blogger-could-be-arrested-12314838

 

 

[DJLJ]

On 23/05/2021 at 18:44, DJLJ said:

After their latest stunt, looks like the EU will be the ones doing the invading…sounds like it was the president himself ordering it. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/roman-protasevich-ryanair-plane-diverted-to-belarus-so-opposition-blogger-could-be-arrested-12314838

 

So now suddenly it was because of a bomb threat issued by Hamas that caused the Belarus to force the Ryanair flight down. According to an official spokesperson for the Belarus president. 

[TheHowieLama]

 Russia is prepared to target intruding warships if they fail to heed warnings, a senior Russian diplomat declared Thursday after a Black Sea incident in which a British destroyer sailed near Crimea in an area that Russia claims as its territorial waters.

Russia said one of its warships fired warning shots and a warplane dropped bombs in the path of British destroyer Defender on Wednesday to drive it away from waters near the Crimean city of Sevastopol. Britain denied that account, insisted its ship wasn’t fired upon and said it was sailing in Ukrainian waters.

 

The incident marked the first time since the Cold War that Moscow acknowledged using live ammunition to deter a NATO warship, underlining the rising threat of military collisions amid Russia-West tensions.

 

 

Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Thursday that “the inviolability of the Russian borders is an absolute imperative,” adding that it will be protected “by all means, diplomatic, political and military, if needed.”

[Section_31]

We're breaking the British military tradition here of fucking with people who can't fight back with equal or superior means, such as tobacco farmers and Zulus. This may not end well.

[Bruce Spanner]

5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

We're breaking the British military tradition here of fucking with people who can't fight back with equal or superior means, such as tobacco farmers and Zulus. This may not end well.

 

It's fine, there won't be another by-election for a while so they won't need the Hail and BBC to do the leg work on the Tory campaign for them.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

A Royal Navy ship would twat a Russian Navy ship to pieces. 

 

Submarines however........ Just fuck it off lads not a nest worth stirring. 

[Strontium]

Be interesting to see how Greenwald/Pilger/etc spin this

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59808624

 

Quote

Russian court orders oldest civil rights group Memorial to shut

Russia's Supreme Court has ordered the closure of International Memorial, one of Russia's oldest human rights groups.

Memorial worked to recover the memory of the millions of innocent people executed, imprisoned or persecuted in the Soviet era.

Formally it has been "liquidated" for failing to mark a number of social media posts with its official status as a "foreign agent".

That designation was given in 2016 for receiving funding from abroad.

But in court, the prosecutor labelled Memorial a "public threat", accusing the group of being in the pay of the West to focus attention on Soviet crimes instead of highlighting a "glorious past".

Founded in 1989, Memorial became a symbol of a country opening up to the world - and to itself - as Russia began examining the darkest chapters of its past. Its closure is a stark symbol of how the country has turned back in on itself under President Vladimir Putin, rejecting criticism - even of history - as a hostile act.

There were shouts of "shame!" from those in court as the decision was read out.

The ruling also shines a light on the rise in repression in modern-day Russia, where Memorial's own human rights wing now lists more than 400 political prisoners, and independent groups and media are increasingly blacklisted as "foreign agents".

In court, lawyers for Memorial argued that the group's work was beneficial for the "health of the nation". They declared Memorial a friend of Russia, not its enemy, and called the case for liquidation absurd and "Orwellian".

Among the sites the group failed to mark with its "foreign agent" status was the vast database of victims of political repression that it has assembled over three decades of work.

The team argued that any mistakes had been corrected and that shutting down a prominent and respected organisation over such technical errors was disproportionate.

In a statement later on Tuesday, International Memorial said it would challenge the ruling and find legitimate ways to continue its work. Russians needed an honest reflection of their past and no-one would succeed in "liquidating" that need, it added.

The justice ministry argued that a group's social significance could be no excuse for breaking the law. But the prosecution's closing speech pointed to a deeper motivation for this case.

'Why should we be ashamed?'
"International Memorial… is almost entirely focused on distorting historic memory, first and foremost about the Great Fatherland War [World War Two]," Alexei Zhafyarov told the court, accusing the group of creating a false image of the USSR as a "terrorist" state.

Vladimir Putin has placed great store on the Soviet victory over the Nazis in World War Two, part of his hankering for the old days of superpower status - a far more attractive focus for many Russians than the parallel history of secret courts, prison camps and firing squads.

"Why should we, descendants of the victors, be ashamed and repent, rather than take pride in our glorious past? Memorial is probably paid by someone for that," the prosecutor claimed in court.

"They chose us because we are strong and prominent, and because we irritate them," Memorial board member Oleg Orlov recently told the BBC about the move to shutter an organisation he has been with from the start.

"The authorities these days are politicising history, but we say things they don't like. We talk about the difficult pages of the past and that annoys them," he said.

For Alexei Nesterenko, the attack on Memorial is personal. "It's our shame. I call it disgraceful," the 84-year-old told the BBC, describing the civil rights group as unique.

His own father was arrested as an "enemy of the people" in 1937, the height of Stalin's Great Terror, and Memorial helped Alexei discover what happened next: a closed trial, a firing squad and a mass grave.

The historic case files revealed that the investigator later admitted to fabricating all the charges.

"The authorities prefer to keep quiet about the past, but Memorial won't let them," Alexei said. "It's a really tough path to acknowledgement and many people don't want to go there."

Since the Supreme Court ruling, many other Russians have been posting stories of political repression from their own families on social media, uncovered thanks to Memorial.

The ruling has been criticised internationally, with Germany calling the decision "incomprehensible", arguing that it deprived victims of oppression of their voice.

Meanwhile, US Ambassador to Moscow John Sullivan condemned a "tragic attempt to suppress freedom of expression and erase history" and Amnesty International said it "tramples" on the memory of millions of innocent victims.

The organisation has faced pressure for many years, but that pressure intensified as Russia was swept by a fiercely patriotic wave following the annexation of Crimea from Ukraine in 2014.

Memorial's walls were smeared with graffiti, its work smeared on state TV as subversive, and in 2016 it was listed as a "foreign agent" - a slur eerily reminiscent of Stalinist times when those marked as "enemies of the people" were persecuted and purged.

Just this October, when a crowd gathered at Memorial's Moscow headquarters to watch Mr Jones, a film about the Stalin-era famine that killed millions in Ukraine, a nationalist mob burst in and rushed on stage calling the audience "fascists" and yelling: "Hands off our history".

Sister organisation Memorial Human Rights Centre, which works to document modern-day political repression and rights violations, is also facing closure for alleged violations of the foreign agents law. A ruling in its own case is expected this week.

Memorial says it will challenge the decisions, including in the European Court of Human Rights.

Oleg Orlov believes the case against both is intended as a warning: "The attack on us is meant as a strong signal to all civil society in Russia. They're saying: 'Look! If we can do this with them, then it's no problem to liquidate all you lot too,'" he told the BBC.

"The time has come to purge the field for good."

[Red Phoenix]

It's so great to have Democrats back in power and the adults back in charge, especially when it comes to supporting NATO and Ukraine Nazis on Russia's border.

 

Russia threatens military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela as Ukraine talks falter

[Jose Jones]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

It's so great to have Democrats back in power and the adults back in charge, especially when it comes to supporting NATO and Ukraine Nazis on Russia's border.

 

Russia threatens military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela as Ukraine talks falter

You read that and decided to blame Democrats?  Weird.

[Bjornebye]

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

It's so great to have Democrats back in power and the adults back in charge, especially when it comes to supporting NATO and Ukraine Nazis on Russia's border.

 

Russia threatens military deployment to Cuba and Venezuela as Ukraine talks falter

tell Tanya she’d get it 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

You read that and decided to blame Democrats?  Weird.

 

The Dems are supporting NATO, Ukraine Nazis and winding Russia up. The coup took place the last time they were in power and things only settled down in the four years they were gone, now they're back at it again after screaming Russia for years on end.

 

Biden, NATO and Ukraine Nazis can all fuck off, they're a menace.

 

You don't arm and support Nazis, unless you're fine with Nazis of course which I'm sure many Dems are as long as they're used to wind Russia up. They're a horrible bunch of fucking frauds and they'd soon be screaming about war themselves if Russia were on their own border arming Nazis. It's about as wrong as you can possibly get and an insult to everyone that died fighting Nazis in the war.

 

Imagine spending years calling trump a Nazi then going and supporting Nazis. Complete fucking hypocrites. They should tell Ukraine to fuck off unless they clear those fascist bastards out.

 

Things might not be much better if Trump returns (and Biden seems to be doing a fucking great job of paving the way for a return so far) because he'll just start winding China up instead, but there's no point pretending Dems aren't completely obsessed with Russia and that it's dangerous. Putin is an idiot and should've left power a long time ago, but he's not wrong in not wanting Nazis on his border, nobody is.

 

The complete arrogance of NATO and the US to think they can just expand to the Russian border and think they're in the right is pure insanity. Don't associate it with any type of fascism itself though, that's forbidden. Biden is insane himself so we just have to try and deal with it. Biden will eventually be gone though, NATO has been a serious long term problem that should back down and stop supporting fascists.

 

The lack of exactly this was for me the best thing about that previous clown being president, not happy to see it back at all.