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The New Leader of the Labour Party


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13 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Doing the both sides routine, when we only have evidence of one side behaving absolutely terribly, including reinstating someone like Danzcuk, and generally being responsible for an awful lot of the bad press the Labour party has had over the last few years, seems a bit off, to me.


It’s a partisan report written by ‘one side’. If McNicol was in a position to write a report what do you think it would say? It’s no secret they were at war with each other. But you’ll get no argument from me that the people like McNicol in the report are cunts. Throwbacks to the days of Blair and Brown tearing chunks from each other and thankfully now largely gone from the party hierarchy. 

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54 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Let's be realistic SA , if there had been any dodgy tweets or messages by Murphy, Milne or Formby we would have heard all about it by now and would not have had to wait for this expose, that's the point really.

 

Agree that doctoring of comments is out of order , there is plenty of horrific stuff to focus on without doing that. 

 

Milne has gone and Murphy will go , so the interesting one will be Formby. Whether she is seen as a Corbyn appointment or not ( my memory is that it was more a Unite push ) I think she has been an excellent GS , and didnt Corbyn have to put up with McNicol for over two years during which he actually took legal action against him to try to keep him off the ballot paper !! So why Starmer should expect Formby to disappear with a pat on the head is beyond me. 'Starmer forces out GS who worked tirelessly during chemotherapy ' would be a golden headline for the msm.

 

With reference to a possible exodus of members , and your comment re Burgon ,there are also a lot of members like me who took Starmer at his word re a fresh start and will be off your pop if he was basically just lying and starts going back to the old centrist regime.His cabinet was not a great start on that score.


Don’t know if you edited your post or I didn’t read it properly cos I was on my way into Food Warehouse, but who would you have liked to have seen in his shadow cabinet and who was you disappointed he put in?

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25 minutes ago, Neil G said:

The response from Sensible Centrist Twitter has been predictably magnificent.

 

The Labour left are accused of bullying and racism - “These people are a disgrace, there should be a full investigation and they should be kicked out of the party.”

 

The Labour right are accused of bullying and racism - “Look at that, Labour are infighting again during a national emergency, they should just come together and move on.”

Did you get expect anything different?

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This report looks and smells absolute bollocks.

 

Im reiterating a previous statement I made on this thread. If you’re thinking of leaving the party because Starmer is leader than you never really cared for the party. The same if you left because Corbyn was leader.

 

I wish the left would attack the Tories with as much venom as they do the moderates. Maybe that would have won the last two elections...

 

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46 minutes ago, Neil G said:

 


Lads, I’m begging you, stay put whatever happens. People like you quitting is exactly what these cunts want. Every departure of a decent left-winger is a victory for them - don’t give it to them.

 

Even if Starmer doesn’t deal with this now, there will be a reckoning at some point. There will be elections to the NEC and other bodies, votes at conference cast by delegates elected by CLPs, and possibly a leadership election if Labour loses the next election, or maybe before then if Starmer doesn’t go the distance. All of these will be decided by the members, so it’s imperative that the left keep the numbers.

 

Stay involved with your CLP where there are bound to be like-minded people who are just as angry as you are. Or if you really can’t face devoting any of your time to the party for the time being, be a paper member and cast your votes when required. Just don’t let these shitbags get control of the party back, because if they do then it’ll be a choice between them and the Tories running the country for the foreseeable future.

I'm not a member but I agree with this, a few battles may have on the face of it been lost but the war is there to be won.

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4 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Is this satire?

No it’s not.

 

Cant remember how many times I’ve been called a fucking blairite for saying Corbyn was dog shit in the referendum for etc.

 

Or being told to Fuck off to the Tories etc

 

Just want this faction bollocks to end and get a fucking Labour Govt.

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20 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

This report looks and smells absolute bollocks.

 

Im reiterating a previous statement I made on this thread. If you’re thinking of leaving the party because Starmer is leader than you never really cared for the party. The same if you left because Corbyn was leader.

 

I wish the left would attack the Tories with as much venom as they do the moderates. Maybe that would have won the last two elections...

 

I would say if you actively campaigned to lose the 2017 election because of who the leader was you never really cared for the Labour party. 

 

 

To be clear I am not saying you did this, but these leaks definitely point towards senior Labour party members not only doing but being upset that Labour did better than they hoped in 2017. 

 

I blame the left for not attacking these cunts with any venom. 

 

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I mean, literally the complete fucking opposite has just happened. The "moderates" in the party have done absolutely everything in their power for the past few years to sabotage getting a Democratic Socialist government. Lying, smearing, undermining, and actively campaigning against your own party at every single cunting step to the point where those who actually wanted a Labour government had to fight against the opposition, the entirety of the press, and said "moderates" in their own party. 

 

The idea that now is an appropriate time to call out the left for criticising the centre, and that their doing so prevented a Labour government, is spellbindingly laughable.

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16 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

This report looks and smells absolute bollocks.

 

Im reiterating a previous statement I made on this thread. If you’re thinking of leaving the party because Starmer is leader than you never really cared for the party. The same if you left because Corbyn was leader.

 

I wish the left would attack the Tories with as much venom as they do the moderates. Maybe that would have won the last two elections...

 

That’s some take Walter, especially given the revelations. I have a feeling that you might have an agenda here.

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1 minute ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I would say if you actively campaigned to lose the 2017 because of who the leader was you never really cared for the Labour party. 

 

 

Where in that report does it say “let’s lose this election”?

 

It seems to me very convenient that this report comes out now after Starmer has got some good press from reaching out to the Jewish community.

 

Which on reflection is what Corbyn should have done 3 years ago. Apologies directly to the Jewish community and publicly condemn the likes of Williamson and others who were 100% anti Semitic. 
 

But like I said. It all bollocks this factionalism. It is also hypocritical. 
 

Just fucking stop it now and let’s try and get Labour government. 

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I am having similar thought in relation to my membership. 

If I go they will have won and won't give me a second thought, if fact they will be happy that all these Trots have left the party. 

 

My MP, like a few others I am happy to say, have just called out to this report. These MPs should have already spoken to Starmer and his actions will indicate his political position going forwards.

 

 

As a few have said, I have made some friends with like minded people in my CLP and do not wish to lose that due to the actions of the traitors. Un/fortunately the lock down will give me time to think this through and not just fuck it off, even though that is my initial instinct.

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39 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:


It’s a partisan report written by ‘one side’. If McNicol was in a position to write a report what do you think it would say? It’s no secret they were at war with each other. But you’ll get no argument from me that the people like McNicol in the report are cunts. Throwbacks to the days of Blair and Brown tearing chunks from each other and thankfully now largely gone from the party hierarchy. 

Mate, you're equating actual evidence of people behaving unprofessionally and sabotaging Labour's election chances, with an assumption that there's also evidence of other people behaving similarly. That's not a very balanced equation, and it doesn't really matter who wrote the report when we can see the emails and WhatsApp messages that substantiate it.

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2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

He probably doesn’t actually mean ‘agenda’.  He may well mean sofa. 

You’re genuinely obsessed with me. Trust me on this Rico, I’m not worth it. All the forum members who’ve met me will tell you that. Follow someone else around the forum.

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