The New Leader of the Labour Party

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

If Starmer is smart he will find prominent positions for most if not all those who’ve put themselves forward.

 

Thankfully he is.
 

All assuming, obviously, he does win it.

Apart from Jess Phillips obviously.

[Dr Nowt]

Just now, Jairzinho said:

Apart from Jess Phillips obviously.

Only because she’s a woman.

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I see those internet pages that say remember this child actor well you wouldn't believe what they look like now! and I look at long-bailey and think is she that little lad from the sixth sense. 

She sees dead parties.

[Stickman]

2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I see those internet pages that say remember this child actor well you wouldn't believe what they look like now! and I look at long-bailey and think is she that little lad from the sixth sense. 

Well after five years of Tory rule she'll see plenty of dead people on the streets  

[Red Phoenix]

I don't think the answer is to pick someone who seems more electable but know I'm in the minority here. I think the best thing to do is go for the socialist candidate again (seeing as it's the Labour Party after all) and fight the propaganda from the off. Corbyn didn't do that and if he had've done he could be PM now.

 

Looks like it'll be Starmer anyway, I think there's going to be a left wing revolt from Labour and that along with Starmer being more centrist is going to prevent him getting the votes he needs. I wouldn't trust him as PM at all either but whatever.

 

Knowing the state of this fucking country Starmer will be liked a lot more than I realise and could stand a good chance of being PM eventually.

[sir roger]

If there had been a better left-wing candidate I would have gone with them , but I really don't rate RLB as a potential leader & her being a disaster as leader would kill the left off completely. Hopefully RLB gets a decent cabinet post to grow into and Rayner or Burgon can keep an eye on Starmer from the deputyship.

[Numero Veinticinco]

19 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I don't think the answer is to pick someone who seems more electable but know I'm in the minority here. I think the best thing to do is go for the socialist candidate again (seeing as it's the Labour Party after all) and fight the propaganda from the off. Corbyn didn't do that and if he had've done he could be PM now.

 

Looks like it'll be Starmer anyway, I think there's going to be a left wing revolt from Labour and that along with Starmer being more centrist is going to prevent him getting the votes he needs. I wouldn't trust him as PM at all either but whatever.

 

Knowing the state of this fucking country Starmer will be liked a lot more than I realise and could stand a good chance of being PM eventually.

Why wouldn’t you trust him as PM? 

[Red Phoenix]

17 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Why wouldn’t you trust him as PM? 

 

Because I think he's more to the right than he is the left of the party, and I think he's just pretending he'll be radical to get elected. He might put left wingers in decent positions in his cabinet, but I don't think that's really going to mean anything when looking at the bigger picture.

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Because I think he's more to the right than he is the left of the party, and I think he's just pretending he'll be radical to get elected. He might put left wingers in decent positions in his cabinet, but I don't think that's really going to mean anything when looking at the bigger picture.

Okay, what are you basing the one the right of the party’ on mate? I’ve heard a few talk about this now and it seems strange to me. 

[Strontium]

"Right of the party" = "Not an unreconstructed communist"

 

I've read the glossary.

[Red Phoenix]

27 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Okay, what are you basing the one the right of the party’ on mate? I’ve heard a few talk about this now and it seems strange to me. 

 

I could find a good few things about him just from digging around on twatter but I can't be doing with being the one person in here railing against him if it's going to cause arguments. I support RLB too so it'll just be seen as biased anyway or because I'm bitter at him being in the lead. When you have the Guardian calling him "soft left" here though I think it's obvious that he's more to the right : https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/21/keir-starmer-soft-left-approach-unifying-labour

 

11 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

"Right of the party" = "Not an unreconstructed communist"

 

I've read the glossary.

 

I'll try to correct your glossary :

 

"Right of the party" = "Not socialist"

 

And a bonus one for when you're reading from the daily propaganda outlets :

 

"Hard-left" or "Corbyn continuity" = "Socialist"

[Numero Veinticinco]

I wasn’t going at you mate, I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from. I didn’t mean to put you in that camp, apologies for that. I do think he’s a socialist, I do think he’s one of the few that can have an ability to unite large parts of Labour and get them focused. He’s not perfect, but I think he’s the best shot Labour has at forming a credible opposition. 

[Bjornebye]

"Corbyn" = "Decent human being" "Not anti-semitic" "Not a terrorist" "Not a threat to national security" 

 

"The majority of the British media" = "Lying horrible cunts" 

[Red Phoenix]

53 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I wasn’t going at you mate, I’m trying to understand where you’re coming from. I didn’t mean to put you in that camp, apologies for that. I do think he’s a socialist, I do think he’s one of the few that can have an ability to unite large parts of Labour and get them focused. He’s not perfect, but I think he’s the best shot Labour has at forming a credible opposition. 

 

I didn't think you was having a go so no need to apologise. I get that after what's happened with Corbyn there's a need to find someone more electable, would prefer another leader of the same type instead but one who will fight back against some of the usual shit that those classed as "hard left" socialists get.

 

Doesn't look like that's going to happen though so will have to see how Starmer does instead.

[Bruce Spanner]

Big Len will be down at The George tonight with a young girl who is definitely his ‘Niece’ drinking it all in.

[Numero Veinticinco]

49 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I didn't think you was having a go so no need to apologise. I get that after what's happened with Corbyn there's a need to find someone more electable, would prefer another leader of the same type instead but one who will fight back against some of the usual shit that those classed as "hard left" socialists get.

 

Doesn't look like that's going to happen though so will have to see how Starmer does instead.

Starmer has already said he wouldn’t throw out that agenda. Like you say, I guess we will see how it goes. I might well be wrong but at the moment he seems like the best bet of getting a change of government. 

[Tony Moanero]

I’ve nothing against Starmer but find myself fighting the urge to post his grid in the smarmy faces thread.

[Strontium]

 

[Red Phoenix]

6 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

 

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

Len McCluskey was on Marr this morning championing RLB as you might imagine. I honestly can't stand the bloke. He didn't say anything wrong this morning, in fact did a really good job at presenting a front that he can work with any of the candidates should they get elected. But I find myself just sitting there thinking fuck off you slippery 2 faced cunt! Him supporting RLB just makes me think, what's wrong with her and is his support based on he thinks she's most likely to be a puppet for him. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

What rule is she supposed to have broken? 

[sir roger]

Not being a Centrist ?

 

There is also some cobblers in the Guardian about Labour Head Office advertising a job as press officer under a headline something like ' Corbynistas rush to fill job before they hopefully get evicted ' and while the article is quite clearly over-exaggerated and the quite reasonable explanation by Labour HO is buried at the end of the article , that was not what caught my eye. I was drawn to the fact that the story is headed by a picture of RLB with a caption about her being nominated by Momentum. I am not a RLB fan but she has absolutely nothing to do with HR issues in Labour HO and neither have Momentum. Presumably the point is that the Guardian are hoping people just look at the headline and picture, and just link the two together in their heads.

[sir roger]

2 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

Len McCluskey was on Marr this morning championing RLB as you might imagine. I honestly can't stand the bloke. He didn't say anything wrong this morning, in fact did a really good job at presenting a front that he can work with any of the candidates should they get elected. But I find myself just sitting there thinking fuck off you slippery 2 faced cunt! Him supporting RLB just makes me think, what's wrong with her and is his support based on he thinks she's most likely to be a puppet for him. 

McCluskey is obviously a slippery operator albeit Unite have done some excellent work for their members under his leadership , but if you are going to tar candidates with their supporters I would point out Nandy and Starmer are favoured by absolute gobshites like Wes Streeting and all of the other centrist PLP wreckers and anti-semitic smearers

[Numero Veinticinco]

I read up on it. I don’t care. That said, the ‘Keir did it’ thing looks to be both inaccurate and petty. 

[Barrington Womble]

41 minutes ago, sir roger said:

McCluskey is obviously a slippery operator albeit Unite have done some excellent work for their members under his leadership , but if you are going to tar candidates with their supporters I would point out Nandy and Starmer are favoured by absolute gobshites like Wes Streeting and all of the other centrist PLP wreckers and anti-semitic smearers

I don't disagree, but he barely gets on telly to comment about. McCluskey is a regular these days.