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3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Count up the percentage of votes that parties supporting a second referendum got in the election. I'll wait.

Clutching at straws!

 

80% of the country voted for parties supporting the referendum result in 2017, would you accept that as an argument to suggest that the leave vote had increased? 

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I don't know why people can't just accept the pope, accept the Board of Deputies, and stop hating women.

 

Accept the christians, accept the jews, accept women and stop playing identity politics.

 

Starmer is a big evil lizard that was born in one of Blairs underground facilities, that's why he got his knighthood.

 

Nandy is cute so she's ok.

 

In fact, I don't know why people here can't just stop hating women when we could have Nandy as leader.

 

George Galloway is going to steal all Labour's voters anyway.

 

Then we ally with Russia, Venezuela, Cuba and China.

 

Then we defeat the aliens who helped Blair make the facility that they grew Starmer in.

 

Then David Icke becomes Sir David Icke because he was right about the lizards.

 

Then stop posting single sentences spaced out like paragraphs.

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The Brexit party, a brand new party with no policy other than to deliver hard Brexit literally walked the European election. 

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Am feeling better about the chances of RLB winning now, even though things still might not work out.

 

If she does though she's going to be attacked by the media near constantly I'd guess because she's the "continuity Corbyn" candidate. When I see people going on about "continuity Corbyn" now I think it often just means = socialist. Those further to the right don't want a genuine socialist leading Labour again. I don't think that all of those who don't want her for different reasons are doing it because of that but the hacks are doing it regularly.

 

And if she does win and the media attack her for years and Labour lose the next election, I don't think it'll be because she was that bad at all, or because the "hard left" (socialists) are unelectable. It's because democracy in this country is fucked. And I think that means that at least two other issues are as important as what happens with Labour leaders : that the media is changed in this country so that it's not so right wing and that our voting system is changed.

 

That's why even if she wins I won't be that optimistic. I'll be glad that the right have once again failed to manipulate Labour though. And that's why this is maybe so important to them : Corbyn got in and they hated it, but if RLB wins it could mean more than just a blip for them, it could be that Labour are once again properly turning into a socialist party for the long term.

 

RLB said in the Guardian recently :

 

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And we have to be honest. For the people to take charge, we must pick a fight with the political establishment. To be trusted, we must show voters how our movement can, and will, win with them.

That’s our path to power.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/16/power-people-labour-party-voters-democratic-revolution

 

And I think she's genuine with that. I'm not going overboard about how I think she's some type of saviour for the left, but I think she's the only one that's going to keep trying to push for Labour to be an actual socialist party so hope she makes it.

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13 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

A new incarnation of a pre-existing party, who literally walked the election with 30.5% of the vote, a massive 3.9% more than they got in 2014.

Howie asked you a question 

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Saw a sentence in the Independent concerning the possible formation of a Starmer shadow cabinet that concluded that there was plenty of talent in the plp across the breadth of opinion , from the Hard-left Dan Carden to the Centrist Wes Streeting. I have noticed that no Labour PLP member is ever described in the press as being to the right of the party.

 

I won't even go into the fact that the paper had commissioned a piece by somebody working for the TIG's, talking about an anonymous PLP member who hadn't talked to Starmer,  but guessed that he would not give RLB a decent post.

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4 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Saw a sentence in the Independent concerning the possible formation of a Starmer shadow cabinet that concluded that there was plenty of talent in the plp across the breadth of opinion , from the Hard-left Dan Carden to the Centrist Wes Streeting. I have noticed that no Labour PLP member is ever described in the press as being to the right of the party.

 

The centrists are on the right of the party, the right of the party is in the political centre. Anyone referring to centrists as being on the right usually has a political axe to grind.

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14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The centrists are on the right of the party, the right of the party is in the political centre. Anyone referring to centrists as being on the right usually has a political axe to grind.

But we are not describing the breadth of politics are we ? we are talking about the Labour party specifically , and are saying that over the whole 100% of views in the PLP , from left to right , that nobody is beyond the middle point.

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2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

@TheHowieLama was it a serious question or are you latin ? 

Both.

 

As a non-practicing Christian certainly there are "ethnic" elements in my life that would be equal to any Jewish "ethnic" elements in a non practicing Jews life right?

 

I mean I love Easter -- do all that stuff - who doesn't color Easter eggs?

Christmas is a great time too - we cook the Seven Fishes and sing carols.

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9 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Both.

 

As a non-practicing Christian certainly there are "ethnic" elements in my life that would be equal to any Jewish "ethnic" elements in a non practicing Jews life right?

 

I mean I love Easter -- do all that stuff - who doesn't color Easter eggs?

Christmas is a great time too - we cook the Seven Fishes and sing carols.

Of course, my point stands. If someone said about Jews what SD did about Catholics he would be screaming anti-semitism and asking Dave to ban them. Seriously bad hypocrisy and snideness. 

 

Easter was boss when I was a kid but now I barely even notice it. Well apart from getting fist-shaking angry when I see Easter Eggs being sold 2 months before it. 

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3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

The Greeks do a killer Epiphany that we go to each year.

Mad bastards that lot.

 

Just make sure you don't trust them even if they come bearing gifts.

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13 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

The Greeks do a killer Epiphany that we go to each year.

Mad bastards that lot.

Boss chippies. 

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Both.

 

As a non-practicing Christian certainly there are "ethnic" elements in my life that would be equal to any Jewish "ethnic" elements in a non practicing Jews life right?

 

I mean I love Easter -- do all that stuff - who doesn't color Easter eggs?

Christmas is a great time too - we cook the Seven Fishes and sing carols.

 

I think ethnicity goes a bit deeper than a few cultural elements. In the case of the ethnic Jew, you are talking about a large tribe of people who are biologically related to each other. Are Spanish Catholics and Irish Catholics a single biological unit? I think not.

 

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Of course, my point stands. If someone said about Jews what SD did about Catholics he would be screaming anti-semitism and asking Dave to ban them. Seriously bad hypocrisy and snideness. 

 

Complete codswallop. But you're comparing apples and oranges. Catholicism is an ideology, just like Toryism is an ideology. If we can have a dig at Tories, then we can have a dig at religious groups.

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6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I think ethnicity goes a bit deeper than a few cultural elements. In the case of the ethnic Jew, you are talking about a large tribe of people who are biologically related to each other. Are Spanish Catholics and Irish Catholics a single biological unit? I think not.

 

 

Complete codswallop. But you're comparing apples and oranges. Catholicism is an ideology, just like Toryism is an ideology. If we can have a dig at Tories, then we can have a dig at religious groups.

Load of bollocks as usual. Hypocrite. 

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1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

And Jews are immune from that? Because they all came from the same place centuries ago?

Be careful he might start crying and ring your mummy. 

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3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Is that aimed at Howie's Egyptian heritage?

You've hit the nile on the head 

 

 

Haha say "nile" if you ever find yourself needing to say "nail" in an Australian accent. 

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15 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

And Jews are immune from that? Because they all came from the same place centuries ago?

 

If you want to make valid criticisms or elementary observations of Jewish religious groups, don't let me stop you. There is a massive gulf between that and invocation of racist tropes, although as you can see there are some here who wouldn't understand nuance if you carved the word NUANCE into a baseball bat and smashed them around the head with it.

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