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2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Sad, but I guess as Blair showed, if you want to win an election as a Labour candidate, this is probably where you’d have to compromise.

People's Republic of Liverpool it is then!

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16 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Sad, but I guess as Blair showed, if you want to win an election as a Labour candidate, this is probably where you’d have to compromise.

 

Maybe if Blair had stood up to them back then we'd have never had Brexit? The Blair 'New Labour' party  lead to the rise of Farage and Ukip/Brexit Party and to Labour losing support in Scotland to the SNP. 

 

In the future I don't think the newspapers will have too much influence over things. Social media will be where campaigns are won and lost.

 

 

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1 hour ago, skend04 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-momentum-member-ballot-deputy-candidates-a9283826.html#comments

 

You can choose any candidate as long as she has the letters "Rebecca Long Bailey" in her name.

Lovely. All the usual contortionists will be warming up to try and defend this. 

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Starmer is pretty much the only electable candidate but RLB is the only full on Socialist, bit of a dilemma for Labour members/supporters. Thats how i see it anyway.

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Obviously this isn’t a good look, but does this really make a difference? It’s not like an old union vote where the Momentum leadership hold the votes for all the members is it?

I’m assuming anyone who is a Labour Party member still gets a vote in the proper leadership election, this is just an endorsement exercise?

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35 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Obviously this isn’t a good look, but does this really make a difference? It’s not like an old union vote where the Momentum leadership hold the votes for all the members is it?

I’m assuming anyone who is a Labour Party member still gets a vote in the proper leadership election, this is just an endorsement exercise?


I thought that Momentum shizzle was in the news days ago. Completely pointless and bizarre and they’re losing plenty of members over it. They should stick to making Facebook videos and getting people active, not engaging in shit like this. 

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11 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

In the future I don't think the newspapers will have too much influence over things. Social media will be where campaigns are won and lost.


I think we’re still a long, long way off that. The newspaper’s websites still have a huge presence online and TV news dominates even more. 

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3 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:


I think we’re still a long, long way off that. The newspaper’s websites still have a huge presence online and TV news dominates even more. 

 

The political correspondents for TV channels on social media had as much of an impact as anything during the election though. Kuenssberg, Peston etc spreading lies that had no truth to them that were influencing people before they could be debunked. I think we're already there personally. 

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7 hours ago, RobbieOR said:

 

The political correspondents for TV channels on social media had as much of an impact as anything during the election though. Kuenssberg, Peston etc spreading lies that had no truth to them that were influencing people before they could be debunked. I think we're already there personally. 


It’s still the mainstream media though, isn’t it? Twitter is an echo chamber anyway and the Russians have got Facebook sewn up. The vast, vast majority of people are directly or indirectly still having their opinions shaped by the same newspapers and TV channels as they always have. 

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32 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Spot on. We need alternative news outlets to tell

us what really happened. 
 

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2020/01/15/newsflash-in-the-battle-of-ideas-corbyn-won-the-2019-general-election/

 

Not so much alternative news as alternate reality.

 

The question is, are these people genuinely deranged, or are they just grifters fearing the loss of revenue and status that will come when the hard left are slung out.

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15 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Not so much alternative news as alternate reality.

 

The question is, are these people genuinely deranged, or are they just grifters fearing the loss of revenue and status that will come when the hard left are slung out.

You just don't like it because it slags the Lib Dems.

 

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30 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

or are they just grifters fearing the loss of revenue and status that will come when the hard left are slung out.

 

If you think the left of the Labour Party are hard left you're going to love Galloway's new party if it gets going.

 

Good last paragraph in that article too :

 

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However, these glaring truths have been almost completely ignored by the liberal commentariat in favour of a narrative that explicitly frames the left as Labour’s problem, and a return to centrism as its only solution. And this is a narrative that’s reverberating across the Atlantic as liberals take aim at the Bernie Sanders campaign, citing Corbyn’s defeat as ‘proof’ that progressive policies can’t win over voters. It’s the product of an unprecedented and relentless war on truth waged in concert with the hard right and reinforced by elements of the deep state. Its principle aim is to equate socialism with extremism (and even racism) in a form of double speak that would have made George Orwell gulp. As George Monbiot recently put it, “the oligarchs have discovered the formula for persuading the poor to vote for the interests of the very rich. And that formula includes massive lying and cheating on an unprecedented scale”.

 

And I thought this was great from The Canary recently (I don't read it regularly or follow them I don't think, I sometimes see articles tweeted though and follow Mendoza their editor) : https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2020/01/12/how-government-funded-researchers-helped-turn-labours-election-hopes-into-a-smear/

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1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

You just don't like it because it slags the Lib Dems.

 

That's really not the case. There are loads of other Labour-supporting outlets who slag liberals off too, I obviously disagree with them, but they're not run by lunatics.

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2 hours ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Not a new party by George Galloway.

 

What a box fresh and utterly terrifying for the establishment endeavour THAT will be.

 

As long as he's being genuine and it gains enough members it could bother them quite a bit, definitely. When it comes to ripping into the western war machine and propaganda there's no Labour leader that's going to do the same. He seems to have no fear in calling out the antisemitism smear campaign which no Labour leader has the courage to do, he supports Palestine and calls out Israel, Saudi and other govs like nobody in the Labour Party has the courage to either (because they'll be branded antisemite in the first case for example and they won't deal with the smears properly.) And one of his main focuses is class politics which won't be happening if Starmer gets in.

 

I can see how with the right campaigning that's going to attract a lot of people on the left sick of Labour at the moment. I'm not saying it's the best solution just that it might happen. If RLB wins things might be ok when it comes to retaining the left properly, if she doesn't Galloway's party could draw off a lot of their left wing voters if he does it well enough.

 

But yeah, I'm sure with it being Galloway there's all types of shit that could go wrong and he's going to be called an antisemite, puppet of Russia because of his work with RT and so on, along with loads of stuff from his past being dragged up. It'll be a total shitstorm but that might be needed if Labour can't sort things out well enough.

 

He could be for the left what Farage is for the right if he goes about it properly. I don't think they're going to stand any election chances but Farage never did either and it hasn't stopped him having an effect for years on end.

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5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

As long as he's being genuine and it gains enough members it could bother them quite a bit, definitely. When it comes to ripping into the western war machine and propaganda there's no Labour leader that's going to do the same. He seems to have no fear in calling out the antisemitism smear campaign which no Labour leader has the courage to do, he supports Palestine and calls out Israel, Saudi and other govs like nobody in the Labour Party has the courage to either (because they'll be branded antisemite in the first case for example and they won't deal with the smears properly.) And one of his main focuses is class politics which won't be happening if Starmer gets in.

 

I can see how with the right campaigning that's going to attract a lot of people on the left sick of Labour at the moment. I'm not saying it's the best solution just that it might happen. If RLB wins things might be ok when it comes to retaining the left properly, if she doesn't Galloway's party could draw off a lot of their left wing voters if he does it well enough.

 

But yeah, I'm sure with it being Galloway there's all types of shit that could go wrong and he's going to be called an antisemite, puppet of Russia because of his work with RT and so on, along with loads of stuff from his past being dragged up. It'll be a total shitstorm but that might be needed if Labour can't sort things out well enough.

 

He could be for the left what Farage is for the right if he goes about it properly. I don't think they're going to stand any election chances but Farage never did either and it hasn't stopped him having an effect for years on end.

Yes. As long as we ignore what Galloway is, what he does, what he did, what he’s likely to do it’s very likely the establishment will be terrified by the splitting of the Labour vote.  

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I’m not confident that Starmer is electable in the current political climate in the UK for the following reasons; He’s an ardent remainer, he resides in London, he’s a member of Labour Friends of Palestine.

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8 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

That's really not the case. There are loads of other Labour-supporting outlets who slag liberals off too, I obviously disagree with them, but they're not run by lunatics.

I was joking really.

It was a pretty poorly written opinion piece. One or two threads worth exploring about how Johnson’s right wing populism was copying ideas from Corbyn’s left wing populism. But didn’t go into any real analysis and was all over the place.

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