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6 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Who disagrees with this??

No-one.

 

In much the same way that no-one thought Corbyn's personality was universally loved.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

True, mate. I do have a sneaking suspicion that Starmer might well be a bit more palatable to - to quote our Blue friends - the powers that be. 

Yes, I'd imagine he will be. And here's hoping.

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8 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Who disagrees with this??

Loads of people on this forum. We had this discussion on the Corbyn thread a few times. Blair is used as a dirty word on this forum, yet he's the only fella who's formed a labour government since the year I start infant school and I'll be 50 this year. There's a message in there. Anyone who thinks this country was ready for Corbyn and that manifesto that seemed like a brain dump when pissed of all the things they thought were great, are kidding themselves. 

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I must admit i’ve not seen anyone suggest Corbyn was universally loved at all. Happy to be corrected.

 

The general consensus seemed to be that he got a rough ride from the media but his policies were popular (as evidenced by the gains in 2017).

 

That lurch to the right is happening and it’s being trumpeted by lefties; depressing.

 

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2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

No-one.

 

In much the same way that no-one thought Corbyn's personality was universally loved.

 

 

He’s fans did and do. They simply can’t understand why other people don’t feel the same way.  It’s incredibly weird to watch. 

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1 hour ago, Brownie said:

I must admit i’ve not seen anyone suggest Corbyn was universally loved at all. Happy to be corrected.

 

The general consensus seemed to be that he got a rough ride from the media but his policies were popular (as evidenced by the gains in 2017).

 

That lurch to the right is happening and it’s being trumpeted by lefties; depressing.

 

Lurch to the right? This country has never been to the left, it doesn't vote for left wing governments. It votes for the right and the best we can ever hope for is a left of centre government. We need to start getting labour winning elections because any version of labour is better than getting the Tories. 

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3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Lurch to the right? This country has never been to the left, it doesn't vote for left wing governments. It votes for the right and the best we can ever hope for is a left of centre government. We need to start getting labour winning elections because any version of labour is better than getting the Tories. 

I’m talking about Labour lurching to the right, not the country.

 

The point about moving back towards the centre to be electable has been debated over and over and I can’t be arsed going over old ground.

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1 minute ago, Barry Wom said:

Lurch to the right? This country has never been to the left, it doesn't vote for left wing governments. It votes for the right and the best we can ever hope for is a left of centre government. We need to start getting labour winning elections because any version of labour is better than getting the Tories. 


Or just do what the tories do. 
 

Project a sellable message and then introduce more left wing/controversial stuff once you’re in power. 
 

The nationalisation of public schools was the perfect example. There was zero benefit to announcing it before the election when it was actually an aspiration and not fully planned out. 
 

Say nothing and once in power then remove the tax breaks public schools get. 

 

It was stupidity of the highest degree, pick your fucking battles. 

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18 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:


She’d be a fucking disaster. 

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  

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1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  


Not much of a boast is it. 
 

If people think Corbyn was toxic to the electorate Philips would take that to another level. 
 

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23 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  

That's the problem isn't it? You can vote for the Tories, or someone approved by them. Anyone else is destroyed by the media. Democracy eh?

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43 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  

 

The main reason for her unpopularity is her willingness to be civil with Tories, of course.

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1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The main reason for her unpopularity is her willingness to be civil with Tories, of course.


Or the fact she’s a shit politician with zero chance of winning a GE. 

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47 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I’m certainly not ‘the Corbyn lot’, but she’s a train wreck. Her leading the Labour Party would be fucking hilariously bad. 

You don't like her because she isn't your hero Corbyn.

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8 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

You don't like her because she isn't your hero Corbyn.

I don’t think she’s ready for it by the way.  Maybe in ten years or so. 

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7 minutes ago, Bellflower said:

Government by Mumsnet…………...

Obviously Labour would need to get rid of its casual sexism first.  

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2 hours ago, Brownie said:

I’m talking about Labour lurching to the right, not the country.

 

The point about moving back towards the centre to be electable has been debated over and over and I can’t be arsed going over old ground.

Does labour not have to lurch somewhere after an election loss like this? Just sticking out fingers in our ears and shouting as loud as we can "but people like the policies" just doesn't cut it if we want Johnson just to have 5 years. 

2 hours ago, lifetime fan said:


Or just do what the tories do. 
 

Project a sellable message and then introduce more left wing/controversial stuff once you’re in power. 
 

The nationalisation of public schools was the perfect example. There was zero benefit to announcing it before the election when it was actually an aspiration and not fully planned out. 
 

Say nothing and once in power then remove the tax breaks public schools get. 

 

It was stupidity of the highest degree, pick your fucking battles. 

You have a perfectly valid point and it was what I was alluding to earlier, labour needs a small number of key policies people can understand and get behind. And I don't mean people who are interested in politics or are active. I mean who the general electorate can hear. Everything else deal with as you go. What people don't need to hear is like in the manifesto where there was pots and pits of money promised, nationising everything, 4 days weeks and all manner of things. 

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

I think Jess Philips is announcing she’s going to run for leader. 

She can't even talk properly though can she? Forgetting her politics, I just don't see how she is a credible prime minister. 

59 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

That's the problem isn't it? You can vote for the Tories, or someone approved by them. Anyone else is destroyed by the media. Democracy eh?

The real problem with democracy is everyone gets a vote! But you have to deal with that and it is what it is. Labour need to be pragmatic and concentrate on what they need to do to win. There's no point having the best policies but losing. It starts by having a leader who comes across as credible or likable. Sadly, policies are way down the line. 

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