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17 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I don't really get this 'how is Starmer going to win back the leave voting North' stuff. Well, if the implication is that he's a Southerner posho, then the answer is that they voted for Boris Johnson. If it's that he's remain, is the suggestion that Corbyn should be followed by a leave campaigner? 

 

As for somebody who mentioned about selling off the NHS should he win... not sure what that's even in consideration.

 

He's a southern posho that has had an image created, courtesy in no small part down to the BBC, of a loveable rogue. 

 

See Nigel Cuntface for further evidence. 

 

Starmer will neither attempt to receive, want, or get, the same treatment from the press. 

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10 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I don't really get this 'how is Starmer going to win back the leave voting North' stuff. Well, if the implication is that he's a Southerner posho, then the answer is that they voted for Boris Johnson. If it's that he's remain, is the suggestion that Corbyn should be followed by a leave campaigner? 

 

As for somebody who mentioned about selling off the NHS should he win... not sure what that's even in consideration.


Exactly what I said earlier mate. They’ve just voted for Boris Johnson so why is a Northerner needed to counteract that? Makes no sense to me. And there is a distinct lack of talent in the party as it is, trying to limit it to leave voting MPs would leave a pool of about ten MPs who are all abysmal. 
 

Saying that, if people do want that then a Starmer/Rayner leader/deputy situation would appear to tick a lot of boxes.

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44 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

He's a southern posho that has had an image created, courtesy in no small part down to the BBC, of a loveable rogue. 

 

See Nigel Cuntface for further evidence. 

 

Starmer will neither attempt to receive, want, or get, the same treatment from the press. 

Will a Northern remainer though?

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2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

No it isn't; quite the opposite.

 

The (really limited and moderate) programme of decent public services funded by tax increases for the very richest which was at the heart of Labour’s manifesto consists of policies which are supported even by Tories. 

Yes, the funding of public services by increasing taxes for the richest was popular. Clause 4 type nationalising, on the other hand, I dont believe, was.

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2 minutes ago, A Red said:

Yes, the funding of public services by increasing taxes for the richest was popular. Clause 4 type nationalising, on the other hand, I dont believe, was.

Renationalisation of utilities and rail were policies that even Tory voters could support. Wholesale British Leyland-style nationalisation of industries was never on offer. (Like I say, it was a moderate manifesto.)

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4 hours ago, Teasmaid said:

So just say Starmer wins the leadership contest, what will make him appeal to a majority Brexit-supporting electorate? Even politically disengaged voters will have him pegged as an enemy Remainer. But even in the hypothetical situation where we win a GE with Starmer as leader - which policies would you choose to keep, and which would you prefer to see more ‘centrist’? Would you all be happy to continue to sell off bits of the NHS while running down the rest? Would you prefer to keep taxes on businesses as low as possible while subsidising them paying their staff slave wages through tax credits?

 

It seems like some Labour supporters want to win at any price, without thinking for a second about what we actually stand for. If there has to be a party in government inflicting misery on the poor and making the rich even richer, I’d rather leave it to the Tories than do it ourselves.

 

Not a single person who abstained on the welfare bill is fit to called a Labour leader.

The next election won't be about brexit though will it? We'll be out by then for good or bad and it could well be the economy will have been hit so much, the country will be queuing up for a party that might try to strike a closer trade deal with Europe. 

4 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:


I think one of the biggest mistakes we could make is electing someone as leader just because they appeal to a small, specific, section of the electorate. We need to elect the person with the broadest appeal, electing someone just because they’re a woman or a leaver or Northern would be a massive error. 
 

No use winning some leave voters back if we lose more remain. We need to keep the voters we have and then start picking off some Tory, SNP and Lib Dem voters. No easy task whoever is the leader, though I do think it would be a good start if people stop telling potential Labour voters to fuck off and support the Tories. 

For me the starting point absolutely has to be "can this person win a GE". I personally don't see RLB being that person, she doesn't come across as either smart enough or likable enough. I was disappointed with labour's position on Brexit from the referendum onwards and there's no doubt starmer was a part of that, even if it was he couldn't win over Corbyn and McDonnell to his way of thinking. That in itself is a worry for me with him, whoever takes the party now needs to take people with him regardless of if they're from the right or left of the party. Once they've got the party pulling in the same direction, they can start to think about eating in to the vote of the other parties. I actually don't see any of them as ideal at the moment. 

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I can't see the EU not ever wanting us back and if/when Brexit goes absolutely tis up and the public realise what a huge mistake it was then I can see the next election being about Brexit. 

 

If Brexit ever happens. 

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1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Renationalisation of utilities and rail were policies that even Tory voters could support. Wholesale British Leyland-style nationalisation of industries was never on offer. (Like I say, it was a moderate manifesto.)

They didnt though. If you think the manifesto was fine and the twatting the party got was just down to other reasons, I think you are deluding yourself. I hope Labour isnt going to be going down the, its a failure to deliver the message rather than blaming the message itself, route.

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3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

For me the starting point absolutely has to be "can this person win a GE". I personally don't see RLB being that person, she doesn't come across as either smart enough or likable enough. I was disappointed with labour's position on Brexit from the referendum onwards and there's no doubt starmer was a part of that, even if it was he couldn't win over Corbyn and McDonnell to his way of thinking. That in itself is a worry for me with him, whoever takes the party now needs to take people with him regardless of if they're from the right or left of the party. Once they've got the party pulling in the same direction, they can start to think about eating in to the vote of the other parties. I actually don't see any of them as ideal at the moment. 


Agree with pretty much all that. I don’t think Starmer is particularly great but compared to RLB, Clive Lewis and Emily Thornberry he starts to look pretty good. 
 

Truth is there is a lack of talent in the party as a whole, and all the candidates have more downsides than upsides but I think Starmer has got a chance of reaching at least hung parliament territory. The others would be massacred. 

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11 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I can't see the EU not ever wanting us back and if/when Brexit goes absolutely tis up and the public realise what a huge mistake it was then I can see the next election being about Brexit. 

 

If Brexit ever happens. 

It's going to be really tough to go back though if it's a shit show, our negotiating position will be awful. If it's to go to shit, we need it to hurt Europe as much as us so both sides are willing to find a good deal. If they're able to ride out whatever shite we end up with with Johnson, we're fucked. 

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31 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Will a Northern remainer though?

No idea. 

 

And like everything else, it'll be degrees rather than one thing or the other. 

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1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:

Just my opinion but the best way around this, and it might not be popular with some,  is to match or offer just a little better than what the Tories offer. They offer the NHS an extra £20 billion a year, we offer an extra £21.5 billion a year. They pledge to recruit 20,000 extra nurses, we pledge to recruit 23,000 extra. It would cut most Tory attacks off at the knees if we were broadly committing to spending just a little more than what they are. 

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“They voted for Boris so they would have no problems voting for sir keir” is a bit of a leap in logic. As in, it skips over the logic part entirely 

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10 minutes ago, moof said:

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Yeah, let’s all take lessons from someone who has spent the last couple of years being wrong about absolutely fucking everything. People like you are part of the reason Labour lost so badly, though you’d have to have a sliver of self awareness to realise that. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, SasaS said:

There is a clear leftist tendency in Corbyn's Labour, voters have identified it, most of you identify it (it's why some of you paid the membership so you can vote for it), most of you are worried that the new leadership may drop it and move to the center. How is that the overall conclusion that they are not socialist and after a crushing defeat, that people want them, but they are brainwashed into not wanting them and interpreting them as radical.

It hard to follow that logic sometimes.

To quote Nye Bevan;

 

“How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political power to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the twentieth century.”

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13 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Horrified that if it is accurate it means that Phillips is 3rd favourite. She is a horrendous person.

Yeah, she is one massive fucking twat.

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36 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Apparently a poll of Labour members;

 

 

YouGov polll just over a thousand people who declare themselves to be Labour Party members to point to whom the Tories would like to see become Labour leader. This manipulation by the right to eliminate other than the right, far right from our politics is a tactic honed by fanatics like Bannon and now Cummings and was used to destructive effect in the General Election.  I'm sure the Labour memebership will ignore aything coming from other than their own sources to decide the next leader. The question for all members is do they want a return to the sort of centre ground politics that gave us. PFI, free schools, loose regulation for banks, lax tax requirements for multi millionaires, creeping NHS privatisation, tuition fees for students and the Iraq war or they do they want a persuance of the policies that were contained in the last manifesto?

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16 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Why would my boy Clive be massacred? I’m not having that. If he had the backing of the unions he’d be a shoe-in. But he hasn’t so he isn’t. 

 

This is the only shoe-in Clive should be getting for his support of NATO :

 

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Still bugs me that he ducked that so well.

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3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You didn't insult Corbyn. You insulted Labour Party members by pretending we look to him as the Messiah. If you make shit up to insult people, those people are likely to think you're a  cunt.

 

Literally nobody denies Corbyn is capable of wrongdoing. 

Mate, The Canary and Swarkbox (sp) have him performing miracles on a daily basis.  There are swathes of people who can’t and won’t see any wrong in him (not implying you are one of them). 

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1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:


Yeah, let’s all take lessons from someone who has spent the last couple of years being wrong about absolutely fucking everything. People like you are part of the reason Labour lost so badly, though you’d have to have a sliver of self awareness to realise that. 
 

 

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“Offer what the tories offer, but a little bit more” 

 

you’re a genius, pal. It’s absolutely foolproof. 

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