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47 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

He’s fucking stupid.  Like a politician in a comedy. 

 

Yeah him and the other guy *goes to check name, forgot* Jon Ashworth are definitely office/partridge like in their own ways.

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8 hours ago, moof said:

12 is a generous estimate. I’ll not say anymore in case we have a daily mail/guido fawkes informant (not looking at anyone in particular, a red) in our midsts and it becomes a national scandal. 
 

Anyway, back to the point. Yes I’m calling him a prick. A baldy prick at that. But seriously, if he has a reasonable answer for the misogyny/groping/troubling-comments-on-the-me-too-mvmt then I’ll gladly listen to them. 
 

Honestly I can’t think of one decent candidate. Keirsy is probably among the best but I have some serious doubts about him, particularly abstaining on the welfare bill, his “people’s vote” bullshit, his resignation and role in the PLP coup and his career as sir prosecutor. Actually, given that stuff maybe clivesy is a better bet. 
 

 

tldr: fuck knows, burn it all down

Welsh cunt

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Fuck the politics threads off for a while lads. The Tory cunts won.

 

Let them. Fall on their racist sword. 
 

Time to grab hold of your loved ones, make them and yourself right then get set for the battle. 

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3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

 

Comes across as a good egg on his Twitter page , but not sure why his view is any more valid than any random person on twitter. As a director in the NHS I would imagine he will have more to worry about shortly, and not from Labour or Corbyn.

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On 31/12/2019 at 17:41, moof said:

12 is a generous estimate. I’ll not say anymore in case we have a daily mail/guido fawkes informant (not looking at anyone in particular, a red) in our midsts and it becomes a national scandal. 
 

Anyway, back to the point. Yes I’m calling him a prick. A baldy prick at that. But seriously, if he has a reasonable answer for the misogyny/groping/troubling-comments-on-the-me-too-mvmt then I’ll gladly listen to them. 
 

Honestly I can’t think of one decent candidate. Keirsy is probably among the best but I have some serious doubts about him, particularly abstaining on the welfare bill, his “people’s vote” bullshit, his resignation and role in the PLP coup and his career as sir prosecutor. Actually, given that stuff maybe clivesy is a better bet. 
 

 

tldr: fuck knows, burn it all down

I agree. Clive Lewis is a fucking wanker. I've got as much chance of becoming prime minister as him.

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1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

I agree. Clive Lewis is a fucking wanker. I've got as much chance of becoming prime minister as him.


If there are any bookies on here familiar with your posting history and track record they’ll have read this and slashed the odds accordingly. 

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That Phil Woodford isn't an NHS director I don't think, that's another Phil Woodford who's here.

 

The guy Rico pasted a tweet of works for Colourful Radio according to his twitter profile, that's when he's not ranting about Corbyn and the "hard left" anyway, this is him on his blog from February :

 

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The very emergence of TIG is the single best thing to happen to British politics in some years.


The breakaway faction offers a potential choice to voters that goes beyond hard-left vision of Jeremy Corbyn and the laissez-faire madness championed by the Tories.

It exposes the vacuous claim of the far left that ‘centrism’ is now dead and has no natural constituency.

 

http://philwoodfordsseachange.blogspot.com/2019/02/tig-has-already-bitten-corbyn-badly-now.html

 

Not the most accurate of blog posts.

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5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

That Phil Woodford isn't an NHS director I don't think, that's another Phil Woodford who's here.

 

The guy Rico pasted a tweet of works for Colourful Radio according to his twitter profile, that's when he's not ranting about Corbyn and the "hard left" anyway, this is him on his blog from February :

 

 

http://philwoodfordsseachange.blogspot.com/2019/02/tig-has-already-bitten-corbyn-badly-now.html

 

Not the most accurate of blog posts.

Cheers RP , didn't want to call the other guy because of his JFT96 motif , but your post clears me to call the real guy an absolute twat. Repped.

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So, if I understand the media correctly...

 

- Labour lost because the leadership weren't trusted or considered relatable by working class, Brexit-supporting communities in the Midlands and the north of England;

 

- Sir Keir Starmer is the best person to lead Labour.

 

Anyone else seeing a problem with this?

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13 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

So, if I understand the media correctly...

 

- Labour lost because the leadership weren't trusted or considered relatable by working class, Brexit-supporting communities in the Midlands and the north of England;

 

- Sir Keir Starmer is the best person to lead Labour.

 

Anyone else seeing a problem with this?


Not really, no. All polling shows that Corbyn was the main problem even over Brexit by such a large margin that if the polling was out by a few percentage points, he’d still be the main problem.
 

Most MPs and campaigners in these areas also say the same with Corbyn being the main issue on the doorstep. 

 

The working class voters that were lost that you are talking about, that we need to win back, voted for Boris Johnson so they clearly don’t have a problem voting for someone posh or a southerner or part of the ‘establishment’.

 

If you are saying Starmer shouldn’t be leader because he’s a remainer then you are ruling out 90% of the MPs in the Labour Party and also going against the membership which is overwhelmingly remain. 

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8 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:


Not really, no. All polling shows that Corbyn was the main problem even over Brexit by such a large margin that if the polling was out by a few percentage points, he’d still be the main problem.
 

Most MPs and campaigners in these areas also say the same with Corbyn being the main issue on the doorstep. 

 

The working class voters that were lost that you are talking about, that we need to win back, voted for Boris Johnson so they clearly don’t have a problem voting for someone posh or a southerner or part of the ‘establishment’.

 

If you are saying Starmer shouldn’t be leader because he’s a remainer then you are ruling out 90% of the MPs in the Labour Party and also going against the membership which is overwhelmingly remain. 

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't: just that Starmer is everything we're told that working class Brexit voters reject (in much the same way that the real Corbyn  - not the thing portrayed by the media - is actually everything voters usually say they want from politicians: honest and more interested in listening to people and helping them than in lining his own pockets).

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Time and time again Labour are told that JC was toxic on the doorstep.  But it’s impossible to accept as he was built up to be bigger than Jesus. There’s an Alexi Sayle video where (paraphrasing) he describes JC as the kindest, most gentle man ever.  Really? It’s like calling someone a Nazi, once you go that far there’s no where else to go so it’s either double down or admit he may not be absolutely perfect.  
 

There’s also the Lavery video where he gets destroyed by Cameron after asking a question about a health adviser who turns out to have been employed by Labour.  Oh, and his football hooligan conviction. 

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4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't: just that Starmer is everything we're told that working class Brexit voters reject (in much the same way that the real Corbyn  - not the thing portrayed by the media - is actually everything voters usually say they want from politicians: honest and more interested in listening to people and helping them than in lining his own pockets).


I think one of the biggest mistakes we could make is electing someone as leader just because they appeal to a small, specific, section of the electorate. We need to elect the person with the broadest appeal, electing someone just because they’re a woman or a leaver or Northern would be a massive error. 
 

No use winning some leave voters back if we lose more remain. We need to keep the voters we have and then start picking off some Tory, SNP and Lib Dem voters. No easy task whoever is the leader, though I do think it would be a good start if people stop telling potential Labour voters to fuck off and support the Tories. 

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27 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't: just that Starmer is everything we're told that working class Brexit voters reject (in much the same way that the real Corbyn  - not the thing portrayed by the media - is actually everything voters usually say they want from politicians: honest and more interested in listening to people and helping them than in lining his own pockets).

The problem is that they don't share your opinion Corbyn is such a man, and Johnson isn't. There is also the issue of people seeing Corbyn as an unsuitable leader for the country, unpatriotic and a security risk. His lack of (some) political instincts didn't help (Skrpal case, avoiding apology on O'Neill's show). Starmer may not have some of that baggage. 

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So just say Starmer wins the leadership contest, what will make him appeal to a majority Brexit-supporting electorate? Even politically disengaged voters will have him pegged as an enemy Remainer. But even in the hypothetical situation where we win a GE with Starmer as leader - which policies would you choose to keep, and which would you prefer to see more ‘centrist’? Would you all be happy to continue to sell off bits of the NHS while running down the rest? Would you prefer to keep taxes on businesses as low as possible while subsidising them paying their staff slave wages through tax credits?

 

It seems like some Labour supporters want to win at any price, without thinking for a second about what we actually stand for. If there has to be a party in government inflicting misery on the poor and making the rich even richer, I’d rather leave it to the Tories than do it ourselves.

 

Not a single person who abstained on the welfare bill is fit to called a Labour leader.

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The next election will not be about Brexit, the Labour leader in 5 years time could have been a leaver or a remainer, it doesnt matter, it will have gone.

 

It is clear that the electorate dont want full on socialist policies or a leader that isnt seen to be patriotic

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Time and time again Labour are told that JC was toxic on the doorstep.  But it’s impossible to accept as he was built up to be bigger than Jesus. There’s an Alexi Sayle video where (paraphrasing) he describes JC as the kindest, most gentle man ever.  Really? It’s like calling someone a Nazi, once you go that far there’s no where else to go so it’s either double down or admit he may not be absolutely perfect.  
 

There’s also the Lavery video where he gets destroyed by Cameron after asking a question about a health adviser who turns out to have been employed by Labour.  Oh, and his football hooligan conviction. 

If you have opinions on the leadership election that's great , but shit like this suggests you are just being a cunt.

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