The New Leader of the Labour Party

[Sugar Ape]

 

 

[moof]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I don’t think anybody body is saying winning is all that needs to be accomplished, just that winning must be the first thing accomplished to do anything. Being perfect and losing is beyond folly, it’s Tory paradise. 

I think lots of people are, it’s an argument I see everywhere. It’s the argument being made for the likes of Jess Phillips, for example.
 

Now, I know your position is more fleshed out than that, I’m simplifying to make a point of emphasising that winning without a viable strategy to carry us forward is not much better than losing, in the long term. 

[TheHowieLama]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

winning without a viable strategy to carry us forward is not much better than losing, in the long term. 

That doesn't make any sense. At the very least a status quo on policies/programs supported by Labour would be expected.

 

Now the only thing you can expect is further cuts/erosion in those.

[skend04]

Starmer is clearly the best candidate. But Lansman and McCluskey will get their members to vote for Long-Bailey and we'll be stuck with another terrible leader and the membership blaming the media. It's just how it is with the party.

[Vincent Vega]

McCluskey has backed Lisa Nandy hasn't he?

 

Also, Momentum has about 40,000 members, so not sure Lansman will be able to influence the vote considering there's around 500,000 people signed up as Labour members.

 

I think it was Peston who said last night that internal Labour polling amongst Labour party members has Keir Starmer well in front.

 

The only stipulation I want to see is that those PLP who actively worked against Corbyn from the moment he was appointed leader are allowed nowhere near the shadow cabinet.

[moof]

When Rico is repping your posts about the Labour Party you know you’ve gone badly wrong somewhere down the line 

[Strontium]

Well, if you aspire to being more than a left-wing pressure group, and hope to win power ever again, you're going to have to appeal to at least some people like Rico.

[Dougie Do'ins]

I reckon Lisa Nandy is hiding a cracking pair of tits from us.

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Well, if you aspire to being more than a left-wing pressure group, and hope to win power ever again, you're going to have to appeal to at least some people like Rico.

I don't thing left-wing pressure group is accurate or fair. 

[moof]

15 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Well, if you aspire to being more than a left-wing pressure group, and hope to win power ever again, you're going to have to appeal to at least some people like Rico.

Lol no

[Anubis]

39 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

I reckon Lisa Nandy is hiding a cracking pair of tits from us.

 

Having met her in person, I can confirm that they are quite impressive.

 

That aside, I really wish Tony Blair would shut the fuck up and keep himself to himself. 

[Jairzinho]

17 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

Having met her in person, I can confirm that they are quite impressive.

 

That aside, I really wish Tony Blair would shut the fuck up and keep himself to himself. 

He'll keep talking for as long as the BBC and The Guardian keep noshing him off.

[Rico1304]

20 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

Having met her in person, I can confirm that they are quite impressive.

 

That aside, I really wish Tony Blair would shut the fuck up and keep himself to himself. 

Absolutely, he’s the last person Labour should be listening to when it comes to winning elections. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

"Don't crush them, Lisa!" 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Vincent Vega said:

McCluskey has backed Lisa Nandy hasn't he?

 

He supports RLB I think.

[Vincent Vega]

35 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

He supports RLB I think.

I got it mixed up, I think it was Unite the union that was supposed to be backing Nandy. Obviously he’s head of that union but I think it’s down to their members to decide.

[skend04]

3 hours ago, moof said:

When Rico is repping your posts about the Labour Party you know you’ve gone badly wrong somewhere down the line 

When you've been the forum's chief banger of drums for Corbyn I guess you've certainly got the experience to say who is going wrong and where.

 

The cheek of it!

[Creator Supreme]

Can Tory Bliar fuck off and die please? Thanks ever so.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

6 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

You can change policy through conference and elections to the NEC and all kinds of mechanisms. And with the makeup of the membership now, there is no way any leader is going full on right wing. It just won’t happen. 
 

Also, I didn’t say I’m not concerned about policy. I said electability is my overwhelming priority, and it is. You can have the best policies in the world but if you can’t get elected then they don’t matter. 
 

I get that for some people the ideology of the candidate is the most important thing, but I think it’s that which is daft, personally. I also dislike people applying their own narrow view on what socialism is and then implying other people are in the wrong if they don’t subscribe to that view. It needs to be a broad party and encompass a lot of different ideas and viewpoints.

Narrow view on socialism?? There are fundamentals of socialism, the right wing of the party would neglect these in favour of their corporate sponsors. We saw it happen under Blair, wait and see the changes that Johnson brings in with a majority. The Tories make changes that last for fucking generations, labour were in power for 12/3 years and what changes still exist? Other than deregulation and PFI contracts? 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Vincent Vega said:

I got it mixed up, I think it was Unite the union that was supposed to be backing Nandy. Obviously he’s head of that union but I think it’s down to their members to decide.

Ah ok, no idea what'll happen with union members. I thought it'd be between Starmer and RLB, but I know little of Nandy and any support she might have. She gave a speech for a group called Blue Labour though which has wound some people up I think, so that might harm her chances a bit.

[Sugar Ape]

52 minutes ago, arthur friedenreich said:

Narrow view on socialism?? There are fundamentals of socialism, the right wing of the party would neglect these in favour of their corporate sponsors. We saw it happen under Blair, wait and see the changes that Johnson brings in with a majority. The Tories make changes that last for fucking generations, labour were in power for 12/3 years and what changes still exist? Other than deregulation and PFI contracts? 

What right wing of the party? If there even is a right wing, rather than just calling centrists right wing, it’s someone like Yvette Cooper who won’t stand a chance of getting elected anyway. 
 

There is no ‘right wing’ candidate that has a hope in hell of getting elected. It’s not as if IDS or Gove are running for Labour leader is it? All the candidates will be different flavours of left wing and whichever one is most electable as PM, in my opinion, is likely to get my vote. 
 

The reason the Tories make changes that last generations is because they are in power for generations. Blair is the only Labour leader that’s won an election in fifty years, by the time the next election comes about. Unless we get into power then whatever you view as the fundamentals of socialism won’t matter as you will never get a chance to implement them. 

[TheHowieLama]

9 hours ago, The Guest said:

I think next time the message needs to be simpler.

We're not THEM.

We're US.

[Jairzinho]

The right wing of the party is centrist. You're in agreement, no?

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, arthur friedenreich said:

Narrow view on socialism?? There are fundamentals of socialism, the right wing of the party would neglect these in favour of their corporate sponsors. We saw it happen under Blair, wait and see the changes that Johnson brings in with a majority. The Tories make changes that last for fucking generations, labour were in power for 12/3 years and what changes still exist? Other than deregulation and PFI contracts? 

If the Iraq war hadn’t happened would you consider a TB government a success, and would you be happy to live in a country run on his values? 

[Sugar Ape]

32 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

The right wing of the party is centrist. You're in agreement, no?

I wouldn’t describe them as right wing, no. They may be further to the right than Corbyn or McDonnell or whoever but that doesn’t make them right wing, and calling them the right wing of the Labour Party makes them sound like something they’re not imo. I think broadly they’re centre left with the exception maybe of a few oddities.
 

It’s a moot point anyway because no way anyone like Phillips or Cooper is winning this election.