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The New Leader of the Labour Party


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13 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

Where in that report does it say “let’s lose this election”?

 

It seems to me very convenient that this report comes out now after Starmer has got some good press from reaching out to the Jewish community.

 

Which on reflection is what Corbyn should have done 3 years ago. Apologies directly to the Jewish community and publicly condemn the likes of Williamson and others who were 100% anti Semitic. 
 

But like I said. It all bollocks this factionalism. It is also hypocritical. 
 

Just fucking stop it now and let’s try and get Labour government. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leak-report-corbyn-election-whatsapp-antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html

 

Anti-Corbyn Labour officials worked to lose general election to oust leader, leaked dossier finds

An election night chat log shows that 45 minutes after the exit poll revealed that Labour had overturned the Conservative majority, one senior official said the result was the “opposite to what I had been working towards for the last couple of years”, describing themselves and their allies as “silent and grey faced” and in need of counselling.

Another said: “We have to be upbeat and not show it”, while a third told the group that “everyone needs to smile”, describing the result as “awful”. Another very senior party official said it was going to be “a long night”.

 

The senior officials keenly watched polls during the election campaign and hoped that the party that employed them would fare badly. When one YouGov poll showed the party up during the campaign, one said: “I actually felt quite sick when I saw that YouGov poll last night”.

A different official argued that the polling bounce for the party was actually “great”, stating: “I shall tell you why, it is a peak, and the polling was done after the Manchester [terror] attack, so with a bit of luck this speech will show a clear polling decline and we shall all be able to point to how disgusting they truly are.”  **

 

 

 

 

 

 

** Let us not forget "point to how disgusting they truly are" is a Labour official talking about THEIR party leadership.

 

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1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Nah. You make me laugh. I like laughing.  

It’s just not a very good look for you, that’s all. Just a friendly advice. Feel free to keep doing what you’re doing e.g., following me around, toadying to Dave (lols).

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6 minutes ago, aRdja said:

“Dave! he’s not paying your sub!” lol, what an embarrassment. A toady and a grass.

Oh your mate Cloggy? I’ve been doing that for years chief.  He’s got thousands of posts and I see it like being a regular in a boozer and not buying a pint.  It’s not like he’s a lurker is it?  Funny, you’ve only just noticed though, maybe the continued repetition finally made it through the barrier. Well done for keeping up.  

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13 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Mate, you're equating actual evidence of people behaving unprofessionally and sabotaging Labour's election chances, with an assumption that there's also evidence of other people behaving similarly. That's not a very balanced equation, and it doesn't really matter who wrote the report when we can see the emails and WhatsApp messages that substantiate it.


No, I’m not. I’ve just been paying attention for the last five years and can remember the cases that show people who work for Corbyn in the LOTO have engaged in similar behaviour. I’m not assuming anything. Defending their allies when they shouldn’t, providing political cover etc...

 

I’m sure everyone can remember them trying to abolish the deputy post to get rid of Tom Watson for example. Now you might be alright with that because you don’t like Watson but don’t pretend that’s any different to what the other side have been doing against Corbyn. 
 

In an earlier post you mentioned Danczuk, and I agree that was handled terribly and he should have been fucked off sooner. However, here is an example of Karie Murphy apparently suppressing an investigation into Pete Willsman over allegations of sexual misconduct, based on leaked emails just like the ones leaked in the current report. 


So I’m comfortable saying there is evidence both sides have engaged in similar conduct and have spent loads of time acting like cunts towards each other. 
 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-plunged-into-sexual-harassment-row-after-top-aide-allegedly-played-down-allegations

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1 minute ago, Sugar Ape said:


No, I’m not. I’ve just been paying attention for the last five years and can remember the cases that show people who work for Corbyn in the LOTO have engaged in similar behaviour. I’m not assuming anything. Defending their allies when they shouldn’t, providing political cover etc...

 

I’m sure everyone can remember them trying to abolish the deputy post to get rid of Tom Watson for example. Now you might be alright with that because you don’t like Watson but don’t pretend that’s any different to what the other side have been doing against Corbyn. 
 

In an earlier post you mentioned Danczuk, and I agree that was handled terribly and he should have been fucked off sooner. However, here is an example of Karie Murphy apparently suppressing an investigation into Pete Willsman over allegations of sexual misconduct, based on leaked emails just like the ones leaked in the current report. 


So I’m comfortable saying there is evidence both sides have engaged in similar conduct and have spent loads of time acting like cunts towards each other. 
 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-plunged-into-sexual-harassment-row-after-top-aide-allegedly-played-down-allegations

Fucking hell mate don’t come on here talking common sense.

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13 minutes ago, aRdja said:

“Dave! he’s not paying your sub!” lol, what an embarrassment. A toady and a grass.

Hey, I tell you what though, I just searched Cloggy + Rico.  5 fucking pages of him mentioning me! 5 fucking pages of him ‘ignoring’ me.  Ha ha. Thanks aRdja, wouldn’t have known but for you.  

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16 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

IF this report explains the 2017 loss.

 

Who do everyone blame for 2019? When the NEC and all the Labour positions of power were run by pro Corbyn people? 

Well, not all positions of power were run by pro Corbyn people. We still had MPs that didn't want a Labour government after all. More positions of power though, definitely.

 

And the answer is lots of things.

 

- Brexit.

- Corbyn not connecting with the north partly due to a perception that the party had become too London centric (this started before Corbyn, but he didn't exactly rectify it).

- Not managing to get any sort of grip on the media. Yes, they're complete cunts, but the passive acceptance was the worst option of the lot. Either play the game and suck up to them, or tear them limb from limb. Call out their bias every single interview, be it on the mainstream British media or elsewhere.

- Not backing small business enough. Or at least, not making the case that what is good for Amazon isn't good for the local book shop. What's good for Tesco isn't good for the local butchers. Etc. They just allowed the line that Labour hates business to continue. 

- Not speaking to people that are doing "okay". Not rich, but not a pay cheque or two away from a foodbank. Not selling a vision of Britain that ensures that children don't go without food AND enables you to become wealthy from innovation and hard work.

- Waffling on about stuff most people don't care about. Guardianism.

- Not pretending enough to be patriotic. The imbecile vote needs to be grabbed. 

- Talking about too many policies near the election date. Polling got worse and worse the more policies they talked about. The economic competence of the Labour Party, the perception of which is always shit thanks to previously named cunt media, got lower by the day as the party talked about something else they'd be investing in. 

- Corbyn not being a very good orator, neither very statesmanlike, nor serious enough, nor angry enough, etc. 

 

And loads of other things, obviously.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

Oh your mate Cloggy? I’ve been doing that for years chief.  He’s got thousands of posts and I see it like being a regular in a boozer and not buying a pint.  It’s not like he’s a lurker is it?  Funny, you’ve only just noticed though, maybe the continued repetition finally made it through the barrier. Well done for keeping up.  

If he doesn’t want to read his match reports or to post in the members forum, then why should he be shamed into paying for it? Has Dave asked for your help to get people to upgrade? Or are you just doing it out of the goodness of your heart, just you wanting to make sure that Dave’s sorted financially?

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Im not and have never been a member of the Labour party or any other political party  but I must confess I like Corbyn.

 

.If you think someone like Jeremy Corbyn is a bit of a cunt; then in my eyes it makes you a bit of a cunt, but that's just my opinion

 

. Peace and love.xx

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21 minutes ago, Walter Sobchak said:

Getting negged for giving a difference of opinion.


 

@Duff Man @Nelly-Torres @Brownie Just highlighting my point thanks lads.

 

You were negged fir chatting shite. And not being able to read between the lines. The report clearly shows that some in the Labour Party were trying to undermine any chance, albeit slim, of Labour winning the 2017 election. 

 

If people joined the party because of Corbyn and they liked the direction he was taking the party, then they're fully entitled to leave, particularly if they were out campaigning towards that goal and their efforts were being undermined by a small group of power hungry eejits, who also were belittling these people by calling them racists, trots etc. 

 

*and an extra neg for moaning about being negged. 

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3 minutes ago, aRdja said:

If he doesn’t want to read his match reports or to post in the members forum, then why should he be shamed into paying for it? Has Dave asked for your help to get people to upgrade? Or are you just doing it out of the goodness of your heart, just you wanting to make sure that Dave’s sorted financially?

As I quite clearly said in my post I see it like being a regular and not buying a pint. Just rude and a bit shitty.  I don’t know Dave, never met him so have no reason to toady up to him. I’d think the same if you ran the site, it’s the principle of posting thousands of times and not putting your hand in your pocket if you can afford it. Which Cloggy can. Bad form. 

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5 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

As I quite clearly said in my post I see it like being a regular and not buying a pint. Just rude and a bit shitty.  I don’t know Dave, never met him so have no reason to toady up to him. I’d think the same if you ran the site, it’s the principle of posting thousands of times and not putting your hand in your pocket if you can afford it. Which Cloggy can. Bad form. 

I must admit although I havnt this year paid my sub I sort of agree with Rico on this point. If you can't, no bother, no worry. 

 

But for people who are ok financially  ( I'm one of the culprits)  hes got a valid point.

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36 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:


No, I’m not. I’ve just been paying attention for the last five years and can remember the cases that show people who work for Corbyn in the LOTO have engaged in similar behaviour. I’m not assuming anything. Defending their allies when they shouldn’t, providing political cover etc...

 

I’m sure everyone can remember them trying to abolish the deputy post to get rid of Tom Watson for example. Now you might be alright with that because you don’t like Watson but don’t pretend that’s any different to what the other side have been doing against Corbyn. 
 

In an earlier post you mentioned Danczuk, and I agree that was handled terribly and he should have been fucked off sooner. However, here is an example of Karie Murphy apparently suppressing an investigation into Pete Willsman over allegations of sexual misconduct, based on leaked emails just like the ones leaked in the current report. 


So I’m comfortable saying there is evidence both sides have engaged in similar conduct and have spent loads of time acting like cunts towards each other. 
 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/labour-plunged-into-sexual-harassment-row-after-top-aide-allegedly-played-down-allegations

I'd argue the Danczuk stuff was a little more serious, but that's a dead-end not worth exploring. I do agree Murphy's handling of Willsman situation wasn't right.

 

I'm not seeing much evidence of Corbyn's allies sabotaging Labour's election chances, though. Surely that's a fairly substantial difference? I've heard it repeated over and over again, that everyone "just wants Labour to win". It's the one thing that unites us under the broad church blah blah blah. Well, these cunts didn't even want that. To them, the Tories winning, and their mates not losing their seats, were more desirable than an actual Labour government.

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8 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

I'd argue the Danczuk stuff was a little more serious, but that's a dead-end not worth exploring. I do agree Murphy's handling of Willsman situation wasn't right.

 

I'm not seeing much evidence of Corbyn's allies sabotaging Labour's election chances, though. Surely that's a fairly substantial difference? I've heard it repeated over and over again, that everyone "just wants Labour to win". It's the one thing that unites us under the broad church blah blah blah. Well, these cunts didn't even want that. To them, the Tories winning, and their mates not losing their seats, were more desirable than an actual Labour government.

But lots of people said they wanted Corbyn as leader even if it meant not winning an election as he was a true socialist.  Isn’t that the same? 

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I still believe that Corbyn's policies were mostly sound and Labour lost the recent election due to 3 things:

 

1. Infighting, backstabbing and spurious accusations of anti-Semitism

 

2. Brexit. I'm a remainer, like most on here, but we need to accept that most Britains rabidly want to leave

 

3. Corbyn himself. I respect and admire the fella but it's undeniable that large swathes the electorate have consumed this "IRA sympathiser" narrative constantly regurgitated by the right wing media, hook line and sinker.

 

I don't think members should quit the Labour Party though, a party founded on socialist ideals and principles, conversely it should be the Blairite pink Tories who fuck off to pastures new At least that smarmy twat Chukka Umuna finally grew a pair and did just that.

 

This could be a good moment for Labour; the cold civil war which has been raging has surely proven one thing, that both sides of the party cannot coexist. A clean break is needed imo, pick your side.

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22 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

I'd argue the Danczuk stuff was a little more serious, but that's a dead-end not worth exploring. I do agree Murphy's handling of Willsman situation wasn't right.

 

I'm not seeing much evidence of Corbyn's allies sabotaging Labour's election chances, though. Surely that's a fairly substantial difference? I've heard it repeated over and over again, that everyone "just wants Labour to win". It's the one thing that unites us under the broad church blah blah blah. Well, these cunts didn't even want that. To them, the Tories winning, and their mates not losing their seats, were more desirable than an actual Labour government.

Why would they do that, if they ran the party? And isn't leaking or making all this dirt public a move in that direction, judging by the reaction of people on here threatening to leave? As in, apres mois la deluge as Delboy would say?

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46 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

You were negged fir chatting shite. And not being able to read between the lines. The report clearly shows that some in the Labour Party were trying to undermine any chance, albeit slim, of Labour winning the 2017 election. 

 

If people joined the party because of Corbyn and they liked the direction he was taking the party, then they're fully entitled to leave, particularly if they were out campaigning towards that goal and their efforts were being undermined by a small group of power hungry eejits, who also were belittling these people by calling them racists, trots etc. 

 

*and an extra neg for moaning about being negged. 

Some, not all.

 

Like some, not all, on the left spent years Briefing against Blair, Brown and Milliband.

 

I find it genuinely hilarious that they are all now crying foul play. Supposed it just fuels more conspiracies doesn’t it?

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