The New Leader of the Labour Party

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Jo Bird reinstated to the Labour Party and back as a candidate for the NEC election. 

 

Somebody seems to have it in for her. That's two spurious complaints that she's beaten now. 

[sir roger]

I've heard it rumoured that it is the Pantomime Dame who is the person who is behind over a third of the A-S complaints to the Labour party in the past year , and that over 200 of her allegations have been dismissed as having no evidence or reason for further investigation. At what point does the party have to start looking at the possibility of vexatious claims ?

[Bjornebye]

On 14/02/2020 at 21:48, moof said:

Bellend

He isn't. 

[moof]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

He isn't. 

Who asked you?

[Strontium]

Not sure this is a vote winner if I'm honest 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

That’s a tough set of questions she was asked. She answered a specific question with a generic answer to try to avoid the specific, then the tweet listed it as specific. Fair to do so? Maybe, as her general comment would cover the case of this rapist. It’s very difficult for a politician to get the answer right, if right is defined as winning votes or pleasing people. I think in these cases it needs to be less about the  rights of the rapist to self identify and more about the safety and security of others. Putting a biological male rapist of women in a women’s prison seems like a very poor idea. Just as, sometimes, putting a very violent prisoner in areas where they can be a threat to other prisoners is a poor idea. To me, at least. 
 

 

[Rico1304]

55 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Not sure this is a vote winner if I'm honest 

 

 

Dawn Butler said on TV today that babies are born without a sex.  It’s like the emperors new clothes. 

[SasaS]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Dawn Butler said on TV today that babies are born without a sex.  It’s like the emperors new clothes. 

 

The news will kill the gender reveal party industry.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, SasaS said:

 

The news will kill the gender reveal party industry.

Been invited to a couple of them over the last few years and everytime I rightly say "I honestly couldn't give a fuck about your kid until its old enough to talk properly. Its gonna be a little cunt until then and as long as its healthy I want absolutely nothing to do with the fucking little goblin". I pretty much said that word for word in a message to my cousin last year. She seems to have lost her sense of humour. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Born without a *sex*. If she said that, then that’s just wrong. If she said gender then she at least has an argument. But nobody is born without a sex. Male, female, or more rarely an abnormality that is a different chromosomal mix of some kind, But no, not born without a biological sex. 

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Born without a *sex*. If she said that, then that’s just wrong. If she said gender then she at least has an argument. But nobody is born without a sex. Male, female, or more rarely an abnormality that is a different chromosomal mix of some kind, But no, not born without a biological sex. 

Don't know much about history

Don't know much biology

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Born without a *sex*. If she said that, then that’s just wrong. If she said gender then she at least has an argument. But nobody is born without a sex. Male, female, or more rarely an abnormality that is a different chromosomal mix of some kind, But no, not born without a biological sex. 

In what realm? 

[Sugar Ape]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

That’s a tough set of questions she was asked. She answered a specific question with a generic answer to try to avoid the specific, then the tweet listed it as specific. Fair to do so? Maybe, as her general comment would cover the case of this rapist. It’s very difficult for a politician to get the answer right, if right is defined as winning votes or pleasing people. I think in these cases it needs to be less about the  rights of the rapist to self identify and more about the safety and security of others. Putting a biological male rapist of women in a women’s prison seems like a very poor idea. Just as, sometimes, putting a very violent prisoner in areas where they can be a threat to other prisoners is a poor idea. To me, at least. 
 

 

A Labour trans group was recently set up, I’m not sure if it is an official affiliated group or who set it up, and has come up with some pledges which Nandy and RLB signed straight away and all of the female deputy contenders have signed up to the same thing. I don’t think Starmer or the two males left in the deputy race, Burgon and Ian Murray have signed it yet.  
 

This seems to have caused a bit of a split with questions being asked about it at every hustings and from what I see on Twitter a lot of women complaining that it designates some groups they are members of as hate groups which would see them expelled from the party if they are found to be members and others saying they will be glad to see them leave as they are transphobic. 
 

This is the group and the pledges:

 

https://twitter.com/Labour_Trans

 

 

[Bjornebye]

If someone wants to have a cock and a pair of tits then good on them. I'd like my labour leader to care about education, the NHS, welfare etc. 

[Rico1304]

18 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

A Labour trans group was recently set up, I’m not sure if it is an official affiliated group or who set it up, and has come up with some pledges which Nandy and RLB signed straight away and all of the female deputy contenders have signed up to the same thing. I don’t think Starmer or the two males left in the deputy race, Burgon and Ian Murray have signed it yet.  
 

This seems to have caused a bit of a split with questions being asked about it at every hustings and from what I see on Twitter a lot of women complaining that it designates some groups they are members of as hate groups which would see them expelled from the party if they are found to be members and others saying they will be glad to see them leave as they are transphobic. 
 

This is the group and the pledges:

 

https://twitter.com/Labour_Trans

 

 

Number 3 is problematic, 8 and 9 are the ones causing the issue.  If you don’t believe 3, then you’re automatically transphobic and out.  

[Bjornebye]

Superb. Israel are killing kids but yeah chicks with dicks yay! 

[Numero Veinticinco]

28 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

A Labour trans group was recently set up, I’m not sure if it is an official affiliated group or who set it up, and has come up with some pledges which Nandy and RLB signed straight away and all of the female deputy contenders have signed up to the same thing. I don’t think Starmer or the two males left in the deputy race, Burgon and Ian Murray have signed it yet.  
 

This seems to have caused a bit of a split with questions being asked about it at every hustings and from what I see on Twitter a lot of women complaining that it designates some groups they are members of as hate groups which would see them expelled from the party if they are found to be members and others saying they will be glad to see them leave as they are transphobic. 
 

This is the group and the pledges:

 

https://twitter.com/Labour_Trans

 

 

It’s easy for me, because gender, sex, race, religion, or any other factor that isn’t ‘are you a human being’ doesn’t impact my view. I don’t mean that in a personal way, I mean that in a policy sense. Policies, unless specific to anatomical difference (for example, health) should just be about a person. Whether or not a trans person is a woman/man or not is pretty irrelevant to me, they’re a person and should have the same rights as other people.
 

Personally I see a trans-women as trans-women. They’re different to women and men, but no less of a person. Not when that’s seen as derogatory - and I fully accept to those people, it might well be - does it become a problem. Obviously I don’t see being a trans-women as any less than being a women, but I can respect that some would as it’s used by those attempting to belittle and oppress people. For me it’s just an acknowledgement that a person has chosen to live as a different gender than the one normally assigned according to sex. It’s not even a big deal. Well, obviously it is but it’s not to me. That said, I’m not trans. So I can only give my view of how I feel towards them. Which is... same as anybody else. 
 

As far as prison and things like that, well, I don’t really see why that can’t be dealt with on a person-by-person basis, not just for trans-people but for all people. If you put a trans-women in a prison with biologically female prisoners, it’s dangerous. And anyway, what is it about taking your right to freedom away that’s acceptable, but your right to decide which prison you go into isn’t? I mean, this whole ‘commit crimes bad enough to be imprisoned, you lose some of your rights’ thing is pretty clear isn’t it? If you want your personal rights to be respected, don’t rape kids. If prisons were only used as I think they should, that stance would be less of a problem. 
 

Anyway, I’m off to crack one off to Bailey Jay. 

[Red Phoenix]

Lansman has spat his dummy out over a Skwawkbox poll and decided they're "ultra-left fake-news", this tweet might be about right.

 

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

Diane Abbott to stand down from shadow cabinet under new Labour leadership

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51607512

[Rico1304]

Which forumite is Richard Burgon? Certainly sounds like at least a couple.  
 

Me and Stronts will be first in line for the Tony Benn School of Political (re) education.  

[Sugar Ape]

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Just received my eBallot email. 

 

I'm a bit uninspired by the leadership contenders. And it looks like Starmer will walk it anyway. I went RLB 1st preference. Starmer 2nd. And Nandy a very distant 3rd.

 

Rayner and Burgon were 1 and 2 in my picks for deputy leader. 

[Stickman]

On ‎25‎/‎02‎/‎2020 at 18:46, Rico1304 said:

 

Me and Stronts will be first in line for the Tony Benn School of Political (re) education.  

 

 

I'd have though the Toby Young's @The Free Speech Union would have been more apt ?

 

[mattyq]

2 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Just received my eBallot email. 

 

I'm a bit uninspired by the leadership contenders. And it looks like Starmer will walk it anyway. I went RLB 1st preference. Starmer 2nd. And Nandy a very distant 3rd.

 

Rayner and Burgon were 1 and 2 in my picks for deputy leader. 

I got mine today as well.

Voted for Keir then Nandy and in the deputy voted Rosena and Murray

[sir roger]

5 minutes ago, mattyq said:

I got mine today as well.

Voted for Keir then Nandy and in the deputy voted Rosena and Murray

Are you Tony Blair in real life, matty ?