The New Leader of the Labour Party

[Numero Veinticinco]

What’s gimmicky about the YouGov poll? It seems to just be the same as every other poll. It seems pretty much inline with everything I hear from RBL supporters too. Not sure why that’s dickish rather than just reflective of what they seem to think. As for the assumption that it’s because it’s not an impediment to electability, the questioned outlined it pretty clearly that they wouldn’t compromise even if it meant being unelectable. Not sure what the issue is here? 

[Numero Veinticinco]

20 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Not sure how accurate that is but it could signal that there's a lot of voters that'll maybe switch to other parties.

Maybe, though I’m not sure splitting the vote even further will do much other than facilitate the Tory agenda. 

[Sugar Ape]

Latest CLP figures 

 

 

Also, surprisingly, Nandy just edges Starmer in popularity from people who say they know the candidates in latest poll. 
 

 

[Red Phoenix]

37 minutes ago, moof said:

Trilateral eh? Are they the fellas that hang around in the Riften sewers?

 

Haha it does my head in that place, always get lost in there.

 

25 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Maybe, though I’m not sure splitting the vote even further will do much other than facilitate the Tory agenda. 

 

It could do, I guess it depends on how much of a mess the Tories make over the next several years too, a lot of voters could switch back to Labour after leaving the EU is done with and they see the state of things.

[Numero Veinticinco]

RBL and Thornberry not looking popular. 

[Rico1304]

A reminder that the success of a

political party is measured in how happy their policies makes supporters and not if they get elected.  Or is that why we have a massive thread taking the piss out of the Lib Dems? I’m confused again.  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

A reminder that the success of a

political party is measured in how happy their policies makes supporters and not if they get elected.  Or is that why we have a massive thread taking the piss out of the Lib Dems? I’m confused again.  

Do you not suppose that the people who were asked how favourable they felt towards the candidates might have taken electoral prospects into consideration?

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yeah I thought you'd like Starmer. I'm sure you'd be posting plenty of evidence if he was the "continuity Corbyn" guy though, along with Rico I guess.

 

"Like" is pushing it. I think he'd be the best and most effective leader, which is what the country needs from the opposition.

 

Your second sentence is a nonsense. I haven't been posting "plenty of evidence" about RLB, because there isn't any. She has far, far less baggage than the person she's aiming to succeed, even if she is politically close to him. In some ways, I hope RLB wins, because when the "smears" fail to materialise, you and people like you will have to accept that the biggest problem with Corbyn was never how left-wing/pro-whatever he was.

[cloggypop]

50 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

"Like" is pushing it. I think he'd be the best and most effective leader, which is what the country needs from the opposition.

 

Your second sentence is a nonsense. I haven't been posting "plenty of evidence" about RLB, because there isn't any. She has far, far less baggage than the person she's aiming to succeed, even if she is politically close to him. In some ways, I hope RLB wins, because when the "smears" fail to materialise, you and people like you will have to accept that the biggest problem with Corbyn was never how left-wing/pro-whatever he was.

Just out of interest, if the next Lib Dem leader doesn't gain power, erm.. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Liberal_Democrats_leadership_election

 

You've got 11 to choose from. Get on with it. 

 

Nominees are required to be an MP, have the backing of at least 10% of the Parliamentary party (i.e. one other MP), 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

In some ways, I hope RLB wins, because when the "smears" fail to materialise, you and people like you will have to accept that the biggest problem with Corbyn was never how left-wing/pro-whatever he was.

 

It was though. It was about his opposition to right-wing nationalists, racists, greedy corporations, imperialism, western backed coups, tax dodging, inequality, the broken media, plenty of other stuff that I can't think of right now and some that I won't even be aware of, and because he was a socialist. That's why they went for him. He opposed almost everything that they profit from and they couldn't stand it. And they're still smearing him and the candidate that's closest to his outlook in this contest, and they'll hope that nobody that left wing is ever voted in as leader again.

 

And that's why Labour could be in trouble. It could actually require a coalition from here on out for them to get back in power.

[Jose Jones]

I have seen a lot more people spreading bullshit about Starmer than I have people smearing RLB so far in my minor skirmishing with the Labour leadership election.  But maybe that's just because I hang out with the wrong types of internet people (e.g. moof).

[Rico1304]

How the fucking hell has this been allowed to see the light of day? It’s fucking horrific. 
 

 

[TheHowieLama]

Anytime someone says "people like you" something has gone wrong.

[Sugar Ape]

A load of CLP nominations tonight. State of play:

 

 

 

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

BBC News - Labour shadow minister Jon Ashworth in 'end of the party' warning

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51413562

[sir roger]

4 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

BBC News - Labour shadow minister Jon Ashworth in 'end of the party' warning

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51413562

Hasn't that idiot done enough damage ?

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

On 03/02/2020 at 21:26, Numero Veinticinco said:

RBL and Thornberry not looking popular. 

But RBL does look like Mabel from Salad Fingers

 

[Strontium]

Corbyn's CLP has nominated Starmer. End of the road for Mabel?

[Jairzinho]

The contest was over quite a while ago.

[Numero Veinticinco]

It’ll be very interesting to see what Starmer can come up with to combat the Tories. He’s got a massive job on his hands clawing this back. He has time to do the internal things first before any other elections. He has time to build a reputation and form a tactical approach and a policy platform, and present himself in the right way. Whoever took over is going to face a struggle. Of those candidates, I absolutely think he’s the right choice and the more electable candidate. I guess we will see if he’s more electable than the Tories. 

[Dr Nowt]

Be the best possible combination if Rayner gets deputy leader as well. Suspect had RLB and Rayner swapped positions in their mooted joint-ticket, Starmer may be facing a stiffer contest for leader. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Be the best possible combination if Rayner gets deputy leader as well. Suspect had RLB and Rayner swapped positions in their mooted joint-ticket, Starmer may be facing a stiffer contest for leader. 

yeah, Rayner seems popular. Although, considering herself as 'soft left' wouldn't go down that well with quite a few people. Some considered Owen Smith (who considers himself soft left) as a right winger, and wanted Clive Lewis (who considers himself soft left) to run instead. *shrug* 

 

I'd like the 'beat the Tories so we can stop their Tory bollocks' candidate. Then we can worry what flavour of left wing you are next time. 

[Neil G]

3 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

yeah, Rayner seems popular. Although, considering herself as 'soft left' wouldn't go down that well with quite a few people. Some considered Owen Smith (who considers himself soft left) as a right winger, and wanted Clive Lewis (who considers himself soft left) to run instead. *shrug* 

 

Clive has always identified as being on the left of the party. He’s said in the past that if he’d been a Labour MP holding the same views in the 70s or 80s he’d have been considered soft left, such has been the party’s rightward shift since then. The soft left label has been attached to him by others, mostly by left wing critics because of his Brexit stance which they’ve interpreted as undermining Corbyn.

 

As for Rayner, if Starmer really is in the lead then clearly being seen as soft left wouldn’t have hurt her prospects if she’d stood for leader. Personally I think she’d have walked it.

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 minutes ago, Neil G said:

Clive has always identified as being on the left of the party. He’s said in the past that if he’d been a Labour MP holding the same views in the 70s or 80s he’d have been considered soft left, such has been the party’s rightward shift since then. The soft left label has been attached to him by others, mostly by left wing critics because of his Brexit stance which they’ve interpreted as undermining Corbyn.

 

As for Rayner, if Starmer really is in the lead then clearly being seen as soft left wouldn’t have hurt her prospects if she’d stood for leader. Personally I think she’d have walked it.

I don't think she would have walked it, but I think she would have been in with a much better shot than Long-Bailey. 

[Dougie Do'ins]

BBC News - Labour accuses Keir Starmer campaign team of data breach

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51432440