The New Leader of the Labour Party

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Any with "A Genuine Bellend"? 

Got them off The Artist Taxi Driver on Twitter 

[Anubis]

 

 

Rowe has never retracted, and Phillips has never sued.

 

 

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, Anubis said:

 

 

Rowe has never retracted, and Phillips has never sued.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe she doesn’t care what Rowe said. Or realised how hard and expensive it is to sue for libel. Being a lawyer you’d have thought...

 

ha ha I’ve just looked up Rowe, I see now why the Labour MP wouldn’t want to get into an argument with a prostitute.  Undignified. 

[Bjornebye]

She isn't either. She is out for fame and money. Self serving bitch.

 

 

 

Oh fuck that makes her Tory. 

[Rico1304]

It is funny watching you lot turn on each other though.  Imagine what it’d been like if you’d won. 

[moof]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

It is funny watching you lot turn on each other though.  Imagine what it’d been like if you’d won. 

Piss off nobhead 

[cloggypop]

Dead easy for the Tories to unite like. 

 

What do we want? 

What's in it for me? 

When do we want it? 

Now. 

[Gnasher]

46 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Got them off The Artist Taxi Driver on Twitter 

Keep the cunt to yourself 

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, lifetime fan said:

What’s the ‘Corbyn left’ of the party? 
 

That tag has fucking annoyed me for ages. Corbyn was the best candidate to be a socialist leader of what I think should be a socialist party. It’s why I voted for him in two leadership elections. 
 

That doesn’t mean he owns ‘socialism’ in the party and I expect he’d be embarrassed and uncomfortable  with anyone claiming he does. 
 

 

 

100% This.

 

He gets very annoyed with it even being branded as Corbynism. Labour needs to stay left and let the Lib Dems attempt to take the centre ground. 

 

Listened to LBC for a bit earlier and Farage was talking up Jess Phillips, tells you all you need to know. 

 

As it stands for me, my preference would be Lewis then RLB, then Starmer, Nandy 4th.  

[Bjornebye]

12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Keep the cunt to yourself 

What you little fanny? 

[Megadrive Man]

8 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

If my boy Clive makes it as far as TV debates then a lot of people will swing towards him. I’m sure of it. He’s just not getting the same amount of publicity as the more prominent names. Him making it that far is a big ‘if’ though. 

 

Agree. It would be very easy to push Lewis as a British Obama, which would be a good sell against the British Trump. The key thing is that whoever becomes next leader needs to come out immediately and dismiss the inevitable 4 to 5 years of smears against them. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

What you little fanny? 

???   

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

 

 

 

What is this shit? 

[Bjornebye]

A shit picture of a gobby cow 

[Rico1304]

I’ve just been reading about RBL. She’s been very fucking ‘lucky’ and benefitted from infighting in the party. Leading the party after only joining in 2010? Christ.  
 

she’s just given Corbyn’s leadership in the election 10/10.   She’s got no chance, and if she my some miracle does get the vote Labour are even more fucked.  
 

it is amusing though that lifelong labour MPs have been thrown under the bus in here for not backing JC but a woman who wasn’t even a party member 10 yrs ago is now the future and is ‘real Labour’ 

[moof]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I’ve just been reading about RBL. She’s been very fucking ‘lucky’ and benefitted from infighting in the party. Leading the party after only joining in 2010? Christ.  
 

she’s just given Corbyn’s leadership in the election 10/10.   She’s got no chance, and if she my some miracle does get the vote Labour are even more fucked.  
 

it is amusing though that lifelong labour MPs have been thrown under the bus in here for not backing JC but a woman who wasn’t even a party member 10 yrs ago is now the future and is ‘real Labour’ 

Piss off nobhead 

[Dougie Do'ins]

Jess Phillips was on GMB TV this morning answering the usual questions from Morgan and Reid. Came across as a woman having a casual chat with her mates over a coffee.

[Bruce Spanner]

Read this earlier today on the Gruniad live blog and it made a lot of sense and tied in to the thing I wrote the other day about the working class not existing as percieved and that Labour need to understand this...

 

'I honestly think the left don't want to truly understand who working class people are. Because once you do that, you're not going to want to represent them.

 

I grew up poor, in Bolton. We're honestly not characters in a Mike Leigh film. Hanging around food banks, and devoted to the NHS.

 

And when we see pictures of David Beckham on instagram, we don't curse his wealth and rant about the inequality between us and him. We actually want to be him.

 

And that's what you don't understand about the working classes - aspiration. We don't see anything honorable about our situation. There is nothing noble about being a low earner. It's embarrassing. We feel like failures. And our true goal in life is to be as wealthy.

 

You see wealth as a "dirty word" when you are financially comfortable. But when you're working class, that's what you aspire to be. You want a big house, and a nice car, and a rolex watch. You truly do. Because it brings with it respect. Which is what the working classes truly crave.

 

The guys in my town with a bit of money, who drive around in BMWs and Mercedes, who wear designer clothes - they're not seen as crass, or ostentatious, as they would be in Oxford or North London. They're role models and quite often community leaders. They're the people kids look up to.

 

So to conclude, a working class person isn't a downtrodden, noble, bohemian, in second hand clothes, reluctantly going to food banks. Who spends their weekends protesting against austerity.

 

We're mostly grafters, who have a bit of money but want a lot more of it'

 

Now we can prattle on all we like about idealism and socialism, but this is 'us', this is who labour should be appealing to, those who should see the value in collective endevour leading to prosperity. 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I couldn't get much further than the first sentence. The notion that there exists a homogeneous bloc called "the Left" and a homogeneous bloc called "the working class" and never the twain shall meet is utter cockwash.

 

Working class communities and individuals - in all their diversity - have always tended not only to vote further left than their middle class and wealthy contemporaries, but they've also always provided the "boots on the ground" during election campaigns. 

 

There is a patronising and misguided attempt by the core of people in Labour HQ (who this Guardian author is probably thinking of when s/he talks of "the Left") to "reconnect with the working class North" after the election. But they are only a noisy minority in a party of half a million.

[Jairzinho]

24 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Read this earlier today on the Gruniad live blog and it made a lot of sense and tied in to the thing I wrote the other day about the working class not existing as percieved and that Labour need to understand this...

 

'I honestly think the left don't want to truly understand who working class people are. Because once you do that, you're not going to want to represent them.

 

I grew up poor, in Bolton. We're honestly not characters in a Mike Leigh film. Hanging around food banks, and devoted to the NHS.

 

And when we see pictures of David Beckham on instagram, we don't curse his wealth and rant about the inequality between us and him. We actually want to be him.

 

And that's what you don't understand about the working classes - aspiration. We don't see anything honorable about our situation. There is nothing noble about being a low earner. It's embarrassing. We feel like failures. And our true goal in life is to be as wealthy.

 

You see wealth as a "dirty word" when you are financially comfortable. But when you're working class, that's what you aspire to be. You want a big house, and a nice car, and a rolex watch. You truly do. Because it brings with it respect. Which is what the working classes truly crave.

 

The guys in my town with a bit of money, who drive around in BMWs and Mercedes, who wear designer clothes - they're not seen as crass, or ostentatious, as they would be in Oxford or North London. They're role models and quite often community leaders. They're the people kids look up to.

 

So to conclude, a working class person isn't a downtrodden, noble, bohemian, in second hand clothes, reluctantly going to food banks. Who spends their weekends protesting against austerity.

 

We're mostly grafters, who have a bit of money but want a lot more of it'

 

Now we can prattle on all we like about idealism and socialism, but this is 'us', this is who labour should be appealing to, those who should see the value in collective endevour leading to prosperity. 

 

 

This definitely represents all working class people.

[Bruce Spanner]

7 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

This definitely represents all working class people.

I don’t remember the part where I said it did...

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

I don’t remember the part where I said it did...

I don't remember the part where I said you did...

 

The person writing it thinks they do. "We're not this..." "We like this...".

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

I see that the antisemitism stuff is already being used against Rebecca Long-Bailey. 

 

Tiresome. 

[Bruce Spanner]

23 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I don't remember the part where I said you did...

 

The person writing it thinks they do. "We're not this..." "We like this...".

 

 

We’ the people he knows ‘like this’, who are from the working class. Not nuanced, but representative of some and worth listening to if we ever want to be rid of the tories.

 

A generation back he’d have been raised labour and thought the Conservatives scum through muscle memory, but somewhere along the line this was lost, maybe Blair and his centre left drive, or Cameron and cuddly conservatism, maybe it was Commandant Corbyn, but it was lost and if we ever stand a chance of any semblance of power we need to figure out how to get Mr Self Interest invested in his community and country.
 

He claims to be from the working class that has been seen through the prism of ‘I, Daniel Blake’ and ‘Benefits Street’ when the truth is far more prosaic and he feels insulted by that, I agree.  The ‘working class’ or more appropriately the under class are patronised and vilified constantly via the media and these views become echoed through the pub bore conversations and filter through. Hate those you can hurt and fear those you can’t, divide and conquer.
 

He sounds like a tit, but that’s not the point. He is from the working class and does represent, in part, what a working class existence and reality is and needs to be listened to.

[Jairzinho]

"those who should see the value in collective endevour leading to prosperity."

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with what he wrote. Nothing. He couldn't have possibly written anything less interested in collectivism. Mocks austerity, and wants to be David Beckham. He's a fucking Del Boy caricature.

 

"We're mostly grafters, who have a bit of money but want a lot more of it'"

 

Well, I would be interested in how he thinks society should go about achieving this. Does he want it just for him? Would he be happy to sacrifice large chunks of the public sector to increase the relatively small chances of rolex/mercedes lifestyle? Further moves towards the dog eat dog world seen in the US? Millions more kids living in poverty? 

 

Labour needs to find a way of getting the message to people that investing in public services, increasing a minimum wage, helping small businesses, etc, will benefit the vast majority of people. Sharpen the message, stop the gaffs. 

 

They can't be trying to build the society this fella wants.