The New Leader of the Labour Party

[Strontium]

48 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Nobody championing Diane Abbott then ?

 

The London Mathematical Society.

[moof]

11 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I had a quick look at the links and the cases you mentioned, it’s very murky waters. Without knowing the details of each trial or why the judges decided to find  that the accusers were untruthful (and judging from the judge’s comments... they had me ch stronger opinions than that) it’s hard to really comment. I have to be honest, it looks as if the campaigners are against punishing those who knowingly make false allegations of rape. I understand the reason they give for that but - as with the punishing of those who are proven to be fraudulently claiming benefits - I have no issue with punishing them if there’s proof of it. 
 

Moving on to the conviction rate in rape trials, I think it’s be important to note the figures before and after his time, and the steps he took to drive down conviction rates, and also the comparative prosecution rates of other countries’ systems to see if its a case of Keirsy being on the side of the raper (either through incompetence or through him being a horrible bastard) rather than just a case of rape being difficult to prove and being very complex cases, etc. If it showed a marked decrease because of actions he had taken, rather than been the same across multiple people and different countries, then I’d certainly change my view on him. Right now, it feels a bit like it’s a case of trying to see if any shit sticks. 

Before he was dpp it was easier to prosecute and convict rapists, when he was dpp measures were introduced to make it more difficult. Now the prosecution rate, not the conviction rate, the prosecution rate is around 1.5%. You think that’s me slinging mud? With respect, I don’t think I’m going to discuss this topic with you anymore. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

6 minutes ago, moof said:

Before he was dpp it was easier to prosecute and convict rapists, when he was dpp measures were introduced to make it more difficult. Now the prosecution rate, not the conviction rate, the prosecution rate is around 1.5%. You think that’s me slinging mud? With respect, I don’t think I’m going to discuss this topic with you anymore. 

Righto. I'll have a look myself. I've seen this on twitter, and I was referring to the overall tactic of taking him to task on things rather than you throwing shit. If you've come up with this independently of that, I apologise - I wasn't accusing you of throwing shit. I was talking generally. The wider implication of this is that he's a bit of a nasty, rape-apologising fucker. So, for me, it requires accurate investigation to determine an opinion. That's all.

[moof]

12 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Righto. I'll have a look myself. I've seen this on twitter, and I was referring to the overall tactic of taking him to task on things rather than you throwing shit. If you've come up with this independently of that, I apologise - I wasn't accusing you of throwing shit. I was talking generally. The wider implication of this is that he's a bit of a nasty, rape-apologising fucker. So, for me, it requires accurate investigation to determine an opinion. That's all.

No, the implication is he failed in his duty to protect rape victims. The “nasty, rape-apologising” stuff, you’ve just invented. You don’t have to maliciously set out to destroy thousands of peoples lives to destroy thousands of peoples lives. I don’t know if you know anybody who has tried to bring their rapist to justice, but take it from me, the process is *hell*

 

i already said in my previous post you can’t pin the blame on him alone, but he was the Director of Public Prosecutions. The top schlong. So where does the buck stop? 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

No, the implication is he failed in his duty to protect rape victims. The “nasty, rape-apologising” stuff, you’ve just invented.

Sorry, but if you fail in your duty to protect rape victims, you're not too far away from that. If you want to split hairs on that, fine. For me, it's the same ballpark. If, under his watch, he has allowed it to become harder to prosecute rapists - rather than something different, like holding to account those who are proven to have lied and falsified claims (and I strongly support holding those people to account) - then it's one and the same. 

 

Right now, I'm far more concerned with what the actual facts are, if he actually failed to protect them and in what what, what role he played, how it was before and after, and how it compares with other countries. I just want a fuller picture before I make a judgment for myself. 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

Who are Tribune supporting?

 

The editor is supporting RLB.

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

 

Right now, I'm far more concerned with what the actual facts are

It is already a headline - the cow has escaped the barn

[torahboy]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

The editor is supporting RLB.

Fair enough.

[Strontium]

I for one am shocked that Starmer's record as DPP wasn't an issue for the Labour Left until there was a leadership vacancy which he was thought to have a good chance of filling.

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I for one am shocked that Starmer's record as DPP wasn't an issue for the Labour Left until there was a leadership vacancy which he was thought to have a good chance of filling.

Yeah, as somebody on here said the other day it was always going to get dragged out - everything that happens in that entire system is now open to him being at fault for it. The same way that everything done in any part of the Labour Party under Corbyn is his responsibility. I do suspect nuance is more likely to be applied to those situations than Starmer who seems to be painted as a Blairite, despite recently saying no lurch to the right, talking about broad churches (which I guess isn't okay with some, but has always been okay with me), and criticising the Blair government. 

 

I don't know everything about his time at the CPS, but from a cursory glance he seems to have done a lot of good. 

[cloggypop]

Starmer was fairly boss in the McLibel case. 

[Rico1304]

But will he pass the TLW purity test?

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

But will he pass the TLW purity test?

 

 

 

His purity test should be eggs at his windows and shoes thrown at him.

[TheHowieLama]

Can he catch a milkshake?

[A Red]

7 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

 

Not socialist policies

[Dr Nowt]

Starmer has confirmed he’s standing for it.

[Mudface]

10 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Starmer has confirmed he’s standing for it.

Media blitz in tomorrow's papers, I assume.

[Dr Nowt]

26 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Media blitz in tomorrow's papers, I assume.

In the post, for sure.

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Starmer has confirmed he’s standing for it.

 

Go Starmzy. 

[Dr Nowt]

 

[Gnasher]

6 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I for one am shocked that Starmer's record as DPP wasn't an issue for the Labour Left until there was a leadership vacancy which he was thought to have a good chance of filling.

You got a point there stronts.

[Gnasher]

4 hours ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Starmer has confirmed he’s standing for it.

As he should, I'm not a massive fan but he must out of all the candidates be the one with the best chance to beat the tories surely?

[Gnasher]

6 hours ago, cloggypop said:

Starmer was fairly boss in the McLibel case. 

Tell that to the daily mail cruyffskins 

[Dr Nowt]

21 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

As he should, I'm not a massive fan but he must out of all the candidates be the one with the best chance to beat the tories surely?

100%.

 

There was a shrewdness about that video which was promising at this early stage.

 

Future of the party at stake just now, as well as the country.

[Bjornebye]

Apparently it’s anti-Semitic to question Jess Phillips credentials as Labour leader. 

Said by the same people who have destroyed Corbyn in the media. 
 

I despair.