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The New Leader of the Labour Party


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18 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:


She’d be a fucking disaster. 

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  

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1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  


Not much of a boast is it. 
 

If people think Corbyn was toxic to the electorate Philips would take that to another level. 
 

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23 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  

That's the problem isn't it? You can vote for the Tories, or someone approved by them. Anyone else is destroyed by the media. Democracy eh?

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43 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

She’d wipe the floor with RLB.  She’s popular, been a Labour supporter all her life and has a pedigree of socialism, worked and actually made a difference to poor and under privileged women.  Can see why she’d be unpopular with the Corbyn lot.  

 

The main reason for her unpopularity is her willingness to be civil with Tories, of course.

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2 hours ago, Brownie said:

I’m talking about Labour lurching to the right, not the country.

 

The point about moving back towards the centre to be electable has been debated over and over and I can’t be arsed going over old ground.

Does labour not have to lurch somewhere after an election loss like this? Just sticking out fingers in our ears and shouting as loud as we can "but people like the policies" just doesn't cut it if we want Johnson just to have 5 years. 

2 hours ago, lifetime fan said:


Or just do what the tories do. 
 

Project a sellable message and then introduce more left wing/controversial stuff once you’re in power. 
 

The nationalisation of public schools was the perfect example. There was zero benefit to announcing it before the election when it was actually an aspiration and not fully planned out. 
 

Say nothing and once in power then remove the tax breaks public schools get. 

 

It was stupidity of the highest degree, pick your fucking battles. 

You have a perfectly valid point and it was what I was alluding to earlier, labour needs a small number of key policies people can understand and get behind. And I don't mean people who are interested in politics or are active. I mean who the general electorate can hear. Everything else deal with as you go. What people don't need to hear is like in the manifesto where there was pots and pits of money promised, nationising everything, 4 days weeks and all manner of things. 

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

I think Jess Philips is announcing she’s going to run for leader. 

She can't even talk properly though can she? Forgetting her politics, I just don't see how she is a credible prime minister. 

59 minutes ago, Rushies tash said:

That's the problem isn't it? You can vote for the Tories, or someone approved by them. Anyone else is destroyed by the media. Democracy eh?

The real problem with democracy is everyone gets a vote! But you have to deal with that and it is what it is. Labour need to be pragmatic and concentrate on what they need to do to win. There's no point having the best policies but losing. It starts by having a leader who comes across as credible or likable. Sadly, policies are way down the line. 

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29 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Does labour not have to lurch somewhere after an election loss like this? Just sticking out fingers in our ears and shouting as loud as we can "but people like the policies" just doesn't cut it if we want Johnson just to have 5 years.

No, they just need to get better at simplifying and delivering their message.

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1 minute ago, Brownie said:

No, they just need to get better at simplifying and delivering their message.

I don't think that's the case. I don't think there was a need to go on about mass nationisation. I don't think there was a need to discuss a 4 day week while we're about to reduce the workforce. I don't think there was a need to discuss fibre broadband to the doorstep (which is a technically questionable solution anyway with 5g). These were all key policies that were just going to turn people off. It doesn't mean you can't get there in the end after several terms. But the key is to get through the door of number 10 1st with policies that people can relate to. 

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46 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

You have a perfectly valid point and it was what I was alluding to earlier, labour needs a small number of key policies people can understand and get behind. And I don't mean people who are interested in politics or are active. I mean who the general electorate can hear. Everything else deal with as you go. What people don't need to hear is like in the manifesto where there was pots and pits of money promised, nationising everything, 4 days weeks and all manner of things. 


This. 
 

I said before the GE labour needed a clearer and more disciplined PR and campaign department. 
 

They need an easily sellable, clear and concise message they then just repeat ad infinitum. 
 

They also need to not be afraid of being cunts, fight back and stop being a massive bunch of pussies. 

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28 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I don't think that's the case. I don't think there was a need to go on about mass nationisation. I don't think there was a need to discuss a 4 day week while we're about to reduce the workforce. I don't think there was a need to discuss fibre broadband to the doorstep (which is a technically questionable solution anyway with 5g). These were all key policies that were just going to turn people off. It doesn't mean you can't get there in the end after several terms. But the key is to get through the door of number 10 1st with policies that people can relate to. 

Well I would class that as simplifying the message, like I suggested.

 

Focus on a small number of key policies and hammer the message home, with appropriate language.

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