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The New Leader of the Labour Party


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3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

For me the starting point absolutely has to be "can this person win a GE". I personally don't see RLB being that person, she doesn't come across as either smart enough or likable enough. I was disappointed with labour's position on Brexit from the referendum onwards and there's no doubt starmer was a part of that, even if it was he couldn't win over Corbyn and McDonnell to his way of thinking. That in itself is a worry for me with him, whoever takes the party now needs to take people with him regardless of if they're from the right or left of the party. Once they've got the party pulling in the same direction, they can start to think about eating in to the vote of the other parties. I actually don't see any of them as ideal at the moment. 


Agree with pretty much all that. I don’t think Starmer is particularly great but compared to RLB, Clive Lewis and Emily Thornberry he starts to look pretty good. 
 

Truth is there is a lack of talent in the party as a whole, and all the candidates have more downsides than upsides but I think Starmer has got a chance of reaching at least hung parliament territory. The others would be massacred. 

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11 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I can't see the EU not ever wanting us back and if/when Brexit goes absolutely tis up and the public realise what a huge mistake it was then I can see the next election being about Brexit. 

 

If Brexit ever happens. 

It's going to be really tough to go back though if it's a shit show, our negotiating position will be awful. If it's to go to shit, we need it to hurt Europe as much as us so both sides are willing to find a good deal. If they're able to ride out whatever shite we end up with with Johnson, we're fucked. 

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1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:

Just my opinion but the best way around this, and it might not be popular with some,  is to match or offer just a little better than what the Tories offer. They offer the NHS an extra £20 billion a year, we offer an extra £21.5 billion a year. They pledge to recruit 20,000 extra nurses, we pledge to recruit 23,000 extra. It would cut most Tory attacks off at the knees if we were broadly committing to spending just a little more than what they are. 

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10 minutes ago, moof said:

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Yeah, let’s all take lessons from someone who has spent the last couple of years being wrong about absolutely fucking everything. People like you are part of the reason Labour lost so badly, though you’d have to have a sliver of self awareness to realise that. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, SasaS said:

There is a clear leftist tendency in Corbyn's Labour, voters have identified it, most of you identify it (it's why some of you paid the membership so you can vote for it), most of you are worried that the new leadership may drop it and move to the center. How is that the overall conclusion that they are not socialist and after a crushing defeat, that people want them, but they are brainwashed into not wanting them and interpreting them as radical.

It hard to follow that logic sometimes.

To quote Nye Bevan;

 

“How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political power to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the twentieth century.”

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36 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Apparently a poll of Labour members;

 

 

YouGov polll just over a thousand people who declare themselves to be Labour Party members to point to whom the Tories would like to see become Labour leader. This manipulation by the right to eliminate other than the right, far right from our politics is a tactic honed by fanatics like Bannon and now Cummings and was used to destructive effect in the General Election.  I'm sure the Labour memebership will ignore aything coming from other than their own sources to decide the next leader. The question for all members is do they want a return to the sort of centre ground politics that gave us. PFI, free schools, loose regulation for banks, lax tax requirements for multi millionaires, creeping NHS privatisation, tuition fees for students and the Iraq war or they do they want a persuance of the policies that were contained in the last manifesto?

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16 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Why would my boy Clive be massacred? I’m not having that. If he had the backing of the unions he’d be a shoe-in. But he hasn’t so he isn’t. 

 

This is the only shoe-in Clive should be getting for his support of NATO :

 

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Still bugs me that he ducked that so well.

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3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You didn't insult Corbyn. You insulted Labour Party members by pretending we look to him as the Messiah. If you make shit up to insult people, those people are likely to think you're a  cunt.

 

Literally nobody denies Corbyn is capable of wrongdoing. 

Mate, The Canary and Swarkbox (sp) have him performing miracles on a daily basis.  There are swathes of people who can’t and won’t see any wrong in him (not implying you are one of them). 

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1 hour ago, Sugar Ape said:


Yeah, let’s all take lessons from someone who has spent the last couple of years being wrong about absolutely fucking everything. People like you are part of the reason Labour lost so badly, though you’d have to have a sliver of self awareness to realise that. 
 

 

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“Offer what the tories offer, but a little bit more” 

 

you’re a genius, pal. It’s absolutely foolproof. 

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12 minutes ago, torahboy said:

The question for all members is do they want a return to the sort of centre ground politics that gave us. PFI, free schools, loose regulation for banks, lax tax requirements for multi millionaires, creeping NHS privatisation, tuition fees for students and the Iraq war or they do they want a persuance of the policies that were contained in the last manifesto?

I don't understand your point here. As we've just seen with Corbyn, no matter what the reasons, the latest manifesto was utterly rejected by the electorate. If labour party members (of which I'm one myself) think the way to get elected is to reject everything that's ever happened in the past, well we'll continue with having Tory governments and we're fucked. I know what I'll be doing, voting for a leader who has a chance of being elected. 

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3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I don't understand your point here. As we've just seen with Corbyn, no matter what the reasons, the latest manifesto was utterly rejected by the electorate. If labour party members (of which I'm one myself) think the way to get elected is to reject everything that's ever happened in the past, well we'll continue with having Tory governments and we're fucked. I know what I'll be doing, voting for a leader who has a chance of being elected. 

There isn't actually evidence that this is the case. Brexit and Corbyn appear to be the reasons Labour did so badly (beyond the obvious, toxic media influence). There is no indication that the public wants to return to centrist policies. If they wanted that they'd have voted for centrist parties...which they didn't.

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It’s all shuffling-the-deckchairs-on-the-titanic kind of stuff. There’s no route to genuine equity between workers and bosses and a proper transition beyond neoliberal capital hegemony through electoral politics in this country. It simply requires people to organise in huge numbers and build alternative institutions. 

 

But yeah, just give it Keirsy, he’s a safe pair of hands...

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43 minutes ago, torahboy said:

YouGov polll just over a thousand people who declare themselves to be Labour Party members to point to whom the Tories would like to see become Labour leader. This manipulation by the right to eliminate other than the right, far right from our politics is a tactic honed by fanatics like Bannon and now Cummings and was used to destructive effect in the General Election.  I'm sure the Labour memebership will ignore aything coming from other than their own sources to decide the next leader. The question for all members is do they want a return to the sort of centre ground politics that gave us. PFI, free schools, loose regulation for banks, lax tax requirements for multi millionaires, creeping NHS privatisation, tuition fees for students and the Iraq war or they do they want a persuance of the policies that were contained in the last manifesto?


Didn't someone on here already say that internal Labour polling also favours Starmer? Shares of other possible candidates also look pretty realistic to me.

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