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The New Leader of the Labour Party


Numero Veinticinco
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23 hours ago, sir roger said:

Quite interesting take on the post-Corbyn era and good to see the right-wing cobblers about Momentum being similar to Militant dismissed pretty easily.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/27/compare-corbyn-labour-michael-foot-neil-kinnock

Paul Mason's article he links to is also interesting, thanks.

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On 24/12/2019 at 13:05, Dougie Do'ins said:

He's got the bumbling unkempt oaf act (and it is an act) down to a tee. He portrays himself as harmless runt of the litter who some people cant help but feel sorry for. It appealed to a lot of people, especially women.

Did it especially appeal to women?  I thought I'd seen an election map showing that a majority of women had voted Labour? (or maybe it was one of the pre election polls)

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On 24/12/2019 at 15:47, mattyq said:

Think more women voted for Lab than men did, mate

They can spot a wrong 'un when they see one

Agreed. 

I thought I'd seen a poll conducted after the GE which showed how votes were split by gender and have just re-found it, it's by YouGov and interviewed 40,000 people.  15% more men voted for Johnson than Labour, and 9% more women.  Not an insignificant difference and adds to the theory that Johnson's act, and his general demeanour, is appealing especially to men (and old women if you look at the breakdown).

Much like the orange one over the pond men like that he can behave how he wants and get away with it in both his professional and private lives. 

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4 hours ago, Moo said:

Agreed. 

I thought I'd seen a poll conducted after the GE which showed how votes were split by gender and have just re-found it, it's by YouGov and interviewed 40,000 people.  15% more men voted for Johnson than Labour, and 9% more women.  Not an insignificant difference and adds to the theory that Johnson's act, and his general demeanour, is appealing especially to men (and old women if you look at the breakdown).

Much like the orange one over the pond men like that he can behave how he wants and get away with it in both his professional and private lives. 

 

Except that in the UK, unlike in the US, people don't vote in presidential election, however personalized the campaigns may be. By that logic, Labour's defeat is simply Corbyn's defeat.

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6 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Except that in the UK, unlike in the US, people don't vote in presidential election, however personalized the campaigns may be. By that logic, Labour's defeat is simply Corbyn's defeat.

There is a chance that it might be somewhere in that gaping chasm between.

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4 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

There is a chance that it might be somewhere in that gaping chasm between.

The problem with analyses that break down electorate in broad categories is that when you vote, you don't vote just as a man or a woman, or a member of this and that class, age group or as a racist or whatever and is even more complicated when you don't actually vote for one person.

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On a slight tangent Gisele Stuart has been allowed to keep her Labour Party membership even though she campaigned with BoJo in the election. Whilst Campbell got booted for saying people should vote Lib Dem.

 

Obviously the Left has a bigger issue with New Labour Blairites than the Tories. Will any prospective leader sort this shit out or we just going to carry on with this nonsensical situation?

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1 hour ago, skend04 said:

On a slight tangent Gisele Stuart has been allowed to keep her Labour Party membership even though she campaigned with BoJo in the election. Whilst Campbell got booted for saying people should vote Lib Dem.

 

Obviously the Left has a bigger issue with New Labour Blairites than the Tories. Will any prospective leader sort this shit out or we just going to carry on with this nonsensical situation?

Don't really understand that , if you say you are voting Tory and take a job with them it should be an automatic ' off you pop '.

 

Has it been decided by the party she can stay a member or has she just mentioned she is still a member ie It hasn't really been looked at ?

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The odds on Ian Lavery going for leader have been reduced quite a bit and he's said he considering it I think. I saw him mentioned on twitter and thought nothing of it a while back but have gradually seen him brought up a lot more.

 

I'd still prefer Bailey but get that there's a lot of people not interested in her and we're not in an ideal situation at the moment (not that we ever are), have honestly got no fucking clue who I think it'll be now.

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32 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The odds on Ian Lavery going for leader have been reduced quite a bit and he's said he considering it I think. I saw him mentioned on twitter and thought nothing of it a while back but have gradually seen him brought up a lot more.

 

I'd still prefer Bailey but get that there's a lot of people not interested in her and we're not in an ideal situation at the moment (not that we ever are), have honestly got no fucking clue who I think it'll be now.

What is it about Bailey that you like? I struggle to see what either qualifies her to be Labour leader - if there is such a qualification - or sets her out to be electable. 

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27 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

What is it about Bailey that you like? I struggle to see what either qualifies her to be Labour leader - if there is such a qualification - or sets her out to be electable. 

 

Thought I'd go back and find a quote of what I said further back to save time, but it must've taken longer to find this than it would've done to just write something out instead. This is mostly it though, I know the "first female leader" thing might seem lame to some and maybe it's not the best time for stuff like this, so I realise that too :

 

On 17/12/2019 at 12:50, Red Phoenix said:

As it stands I prefer RLB, purely because that's who Corbyn/McDonnell/Rayner support and she'll be closest to what Corbyn's views are. She'll also be Labour's first female leader, comes from the north to help relate to so many people that've gone to the Tories, has a background with a trade union and I didn't see a single thing wrong with her voting record (although I didn't spend ages checking and accept that I could've missed one or two things.)

 

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5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Thought I'd go back and find a quote of what I said further back to save time, but it must've taken longer to find this than it would've done to just write something out instead. This is mostly it though, I know the "first female leader" thing might seem lame to some and maybe it's not the best time for stuff like this, so I realise that too :

 

 

Appreciate you digging that up, I either didn't see it or read it and didn't attribute it to you. Obviously there are some things I see differently (Her being Cornyn's continuity candidate isn't a good thing, in my view, her vagina being relevant, etc) but I don't deny they are factors. 

 

I hope they get this shit sorted sooner rather than later. 

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Is Lavery's dodgy trousering of £165,000 from union benevolent funds consistent with the "For the many, not the few" schtick? Say what you will about Corbyn, but I couldn't imagine him doing something like that, and I can't imagine a lot of Corbyn's supporters being too thrilled about it either.

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5 hours ago, skend04 said:

On a slight tangent Gisele Stuart has been allowed to keep her Labour Party membership even though she campaigned with BoJo in the election. Whilst Campbell got booted for saying people should vote Lib Dem.

 

Obviously the Left has a bigger issue with New Labour Blairites than the Tories. Will any prospective leader sort this shit out or we just going to carry on with this nonsensical situation?

Might be because nobody has heard of gisele Stewart while the war criminal Campbell was front page news and it was during a mad election cycle. 
 

As for the rest of it, you’re chatting shit, for a change. Oh, and fuck off with the bojo stuff, he’s not the lead singer for U2

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6 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

And if he did somehow manage to win they’d just play this on repeat and  - whether you agree with him or not - the antisemitism claims would just roll on and on.

 

 

Yeah they'd have an absolute field day with that, have been thinking the same.

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Rebecca Long Bailey, a supposed left winger, must be one of the thickest politicians around. I remember her when she first got over-promoted, saying, 'Erm, I like to think of socialism as caring capitalism'. And I like to think of it properly, you cloth-eared, feather-brained buffoon. Unbelievable that dullards like these are now in contention for the leadership.

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