The New Leader of the Labour Party

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

Murdoch must be odds on to die pretty soon, unfortunately he spread his spunk about and I've heard his sons are every bit as bad as that cunt. 

Almost certain to be the case. Either that or the thing gets sold off to a bunch of humongous cunts

[A Red]

In my opinion, if you have a product to sell (socialism) and customers wont buy it you have to do 1 or both of 2 things. Either scrap the product or look at how you deliver/market it. 

 

Socialism as presented by Corbyn will never sell to the electorate, recent elections prove it. Its just too radical. Tone it down a bit, tell the electorate they will prove the concept by doing bits at a time so people can see the benefits and do more in a second term.

 

You then need someone with the ability to sell it, I cant suggest anyone as I dont know any of the possible candidates. However, if it is to be the same policies delivered in the same way, the original JC couldnt sell it.

[Jairzinho]

8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

The only reason I got into these threads is because of the parallels between Labour and the Democrats being absolutely shite at picking the candidate.

 

We have since had almost a year of posters being aghast at the hint that Corbyn did not have enough support and daresay, was divisive within his own party. 

The thing is, any leader of the Labour Party is going to be divisive. They represent a broader range of people in society than all of the other parties, and have a broader range of views from within the PLP. 

 

There really are a million factors at play here. Brexit, the media, timing, perceptions, recent history, apathy, resentment. It's a fucking mess, and anyone who thinks that there was some magical way to win the last election for Labour is lying. The process of Scotland and the North fucking Labour off wasn't started by Corbyn. The ball was put in motion decades ago.

 

There are lots of reasons why people didn't vote Labour. All of them need to be listened to.

 

 

[polymerpunkah]

15 minutes ago, A Red said:

In my opinion, if you have a product to sell (socialism) and customers wont buy it you have to do 1 or both of 2 things. Either scrap the product or look at how you deliver/market it. 

 

Socialism as presented by Corbyn will never sell to the electorate, recent elections prove it. Its just too radical. Tone it down a bit, tell the electorate they will prove the concept by doing bits at a time so people can see the benefits and do more in a second term.

 

You then need someone with the ability to sell it, I cant suggest anyone as I dont know any of the possible candidates. However, if it is to be the same policies delivered in the same way, the original JC couldnt sell it.

Weren't you claiming that the election was all about Brexit a few weeks ago?

 

On 30/10/2019 at 10:35, A Red said:

I'm going to be a boring cunt again and give my (probably half baked) opinion as to why Labour are fucked

 

Most things in life are simple, to win a general election you need simple understandable messages. This election will be mainly about brexit, despite whether Labour wants that, its the case. So on the issue of brexit they need a simple message. 

 

Tories - Will leave

Lib Dems - Will Stay

Labour - Stay neutral in the election, then negotiate a deal, then decide whether to back that deal in a referendum.

 

Its not a simple election message, its not clear what the leadership want and its full of holes.

 

[A Red]

1 minute ago, polymerpunkah said:

Weren't you claiming that the election was all about Brexit a few weeks ago?

 

 

Yes I did.

 

No point talking about brexit now when considering what Labour need to do to win an election in 5 years.

[polymerpunkah]

2 minutes ago, A Red said:

Yes I did.

 

No point talking about brexit now when considering what Labour need to do to win an election in 5 years.

But then how can you claim that socialism doesn't sell if the election was all about Brexit?

 

I can understand the desire to make the claim. But do you really think this election is any indicator of it's truth?

[A Red]

12 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

But then how can you claim that socialism doesn't sell if the election was all about Brexit?

 

I can understand the desire to make the claim. But do you really think this election is any indicator of it's truth?

I gave my opinion on the problems of the manifesto before the results i.e. socialism was not what the electorate wanted. I also said it didnt really matter as brexit fucked them up anyway.

 

Whenever Labour has stood on a socialist manifesto in the last 50 years they have been hammered and as mentioned elsewhere, the last time they won on one was 1946. 

[Lee909]

Give it me

 

I'll call a cunt a cunt and Boris, IDS, The pencil necked victorian gobshite are definitely cunts. 

 

[Brownie]

Agree generally with Jairzinho’s contributions. I was out on my works do last night and a few of us are Labour members and discussed what needs to happen next.

 

I made the point that we need to really

engage with people, especially up here where Labour has become toxic in what used to be our heart-lands. People only ever see activists, politicians or candidates at election time, they are ignored the rest of the time.

 

One thing Labour should do, resource permitting, is to have people on the ground knocking on those doors every week for the next 5 years. Keep speaking to people, listen to what they’re saying and try to provide answers to their problems when the time comes.

 

Don’t try to solve everything at once, pick the issue of the time and deliver a simple message about how you’ll fix it. You can address other things in due course.

 

Some more general points for me:

 

• Don’t lurch to the right; the new leader needs to represent what the party is all about so should come from the left

• Don’t talk about getting rid of groups like Momentum

• Fucking re-unite; if the party is openly splintered, it’s unelectable

• The new leader needs charisma. Corbyn had plenty of strengths but charisma and therefore delivery were weaknesses

• Abandon any policy of gentle and kind politics, there’s no such thing. Ruthlessly take apart the tory’s record

[Brownie]

As for leadership candidates, the worry for me is that I can’t really think of one who will fit the mould for what we need. 

[Gnasher]

It's all about if the new leader is 'a friend of Israel'

 

That's where the battle is.

[VladimirIlyich]

5 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I’m thinking that Labour needs somebody who meet the following criteria if they stand a chance of winning.

 

Has a likability factor. 

Not loads of old-fashioned lefty baggage. 
Understand and utilise social media to convince people outside of standard media. 

Is palatable to the City/business. 

Pragmatic with policies and with whom/when they pick fights. 

Has a dirty side so when they fight they win. 

Understand the tactics of a fight in politics. 

Good oratory skills. 
More to follow. 

 

 

 

In other words a tory? The only real mistake Corbyn made was not making an anti-tory coalition. They are the common enemy and now have so much power (mostly gained from stealing all of our public funds for thirty years) that they are almost untouchable. Based on how the morons in this country are struck with political Stockholm Syndrome then education is a priority. Either that or involuntary sterilisation.

The Labour Party will just become the tories lite again and all those cunts who stabbed Corbyn in the back will fulfill their dream of being a tory.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, VladimirIlyich said:

In other words a tory?

Erm... nope?

[VladimirIlyich]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Erm... nope?

In all but name of course.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

In all but name of course.

Nope, not at all. Being savvy and good at politics isn’t a Tory thing. 

[Remmie]

4 hours ago, Tony Moanero said:

I disagree that she is smug.

You're a Neil Kinnock guy, surely?

[VladimirIlyich]

7 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Nope, not at all. Being savvy and good at politics isn’t a Tory thing. 

I know I was being a bit facetious but I don't think it matters any more as the morons in this country wouldn't recognise somebody who was actually good for them if he screamed in their face. I'd rather the new leader dressed up like Screaming Lord Such as they'd probably get a few votes. After all they've just elected one with a clown exterior who is a vicious facist racist thug in reality.

[Jairzinho]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/14/labour-meltdown-decades-govern-votes

 

Feel like this cunt has basically plagiarised me.

[Tony Moanero]

47 minutes ago, Remmie said:

You're a Neil Kinnock guy, surely?

 

[sir roger]

Danny Dyer seems to have the right opinion of Tories & is more royal than the old German lady on the throne now, so that's a good start.

[Moo]

Basically, whoever it is needs to be a really good liar. 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

7 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Surely that cunt is going to die soon anyway.

His kids are cunts too. To be fair, old Rupert wasn’t too big a cunt in his youth, but his kids have only ever known cuntishness

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

6 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

He doesn't strike me as the person most likely to win back the support of Northern towns. A remain voting lawyer from London.

He is a sir though, which could swing it for a few of the dopey cap doffing twats.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

5 hours ago, A Red said:

In my opinion, if you have a product to sell (socialism) and customers wont buy it you have to do 1 or both of 2 things. Either scrap the product or look at how you deliver/market it. 

 

Socialism as presented by Corbyn will never sell to the electorate, recent elections prove it. Its just too radical. Tone it down a bit, tell the electorate they will prove the concept by doing bits at a time so people can see the benefits and do more in a second term.

 

You then need someone with the ability to sell it, I cant suggest anyone as I dont know any of the possible candidates. However, if it is to be the same policies delivered in the same way, the original JC couldnt sell it.

If things change for the worse as predicted in the next 5 years, more people will be shouting for socialism not less. They are going to fucking need it. Insurance for health and social care, anytime some cunt can take a profit out of health there are going to be losers.

more job losses are likely, and the middle will get squeezed further.

[Megadrive Man]

2 hours ago, Brownie said:

As for leadership candidates, the worry for me is that I can’t really think of one who will fit the mould for what we need. 

Same. 

The problem is now that Johnson will be hailed as a hero by working class Brexit voters and will be very difficult to shift.

Hopefully he makes a total clusterfuck of Brexit, and everything else over the next 5 years.

 

The only person I think could realistically win in the next election is Andy Burnham. I think he would get the working class in the north back on side, and that's what Labour need to do.