The New Leader of the Labour Party

[moof]

1 minute ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

She's one of the favourites mate, but will labour members back a woman? I have my doubts. 

There’s no reason they wouldn’t back a woman, but she just lost her seat so maybe now isn’t the best time. I really like her, though, and somewhere down the line I could see her in a leadership role 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

 

She’s got no chance mate. I can guarantee it. 100%. 

 

Yeah, hence what I posted mate. Although never say no. 

[Captain Turdseye]

Just now, Pistonbroke said:

 

Yeah, hence what I posted mate. Although never say no. 

 

It’s literally impossible. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

From my perspective, I think Sir Keir Starmer seems like he might be the best bet. I’m certainly not ready to start knocking down doors over it, but I do feel as if he ticks a good few of the boxes. I don’t know as much about Rayner in general, although as above a young Northern woman might be a hard sell with Southerners. I guess we will see. 

[Rushies tash]

Regardless of whoever is elected, if they dont toe the neoliberal line, they'll he crucified in the press. Until something is done to redress the overwhelmingly right wing bias of all media in this country, I fear we'll be living in a, if not one party state,  then a one ideological state for the foreseeable future. Fucking depressing.  And as has even alluded to above, if Labour revert to Tory-lite centrism just to appease Murdoch etc. then alot of people, myself included, will he turned off politics for good.

[Kidder Bukowski]

I wish Andy Burnham was a bit more left wing as he would be very popular with the gobshites but he seems to be a Blairite.

On a side note I think there may be trouble ahead in places like Liverpool. If they continue to starve councils of money resulting in more cuts there will eventually be an uprising. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

A couple of points that Rayner might struggle with:

 

- too closely tied to Corbyn (that's not an issue for me) 

- young, single mother (not a problem for me, but snobbier twats might stigmatise her for it) 

- as shadow Secretary for Education, she might be labelled as a crazy radical due to links to the abolish private schools policy (even though it was dropped) 

- wears mad boots 

[Tony Moanero]

Rebecca Long-Bailey 

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

Rebecca Long-Bailey 

I bloody hope not. She’d be a disaster. 

[moof]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I bloody hope not. She’d be a disaster. 

Why?

[moof]

I’m far from convinced by Starmer. It really speaks to the paucity of talent in that party if he is the front runner 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, moof said:

Why?

Corbyn’s girl, crap in front of a camera of when put under pressure on numbers or policy, and has a smugness that won’t endear her to anyone. Seems a bit of a lightweight to me. 

[Jairzinho]

4 minutes ago, moof said:

I’m far from convinced by Starmer. It really speaks to the paucity of talent in that party if he is the front runner 

He doesn't strike me as the person most likely to win back the support of Northern towns. A remain voting lawyer from London.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, moof said:

I’m far from convinced by Starmer. It really speaks to the paucity of talent in that party if he is the front runner 

Convinced in what sense? That he can win or that he represents your views? 

[moof]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

Corbyn’s girl, crap in front of a camera of when put under pressure on numbers or policy, and has a smugness that won’t endear her to anyone. Seems a bit of a lightweight to me. 

Fair enough. I’ve not seen that much of her. Are we saying now that anybody associated with Corbyn or the left of labour is electoral kryptonite? Because I don’t think that is the case, at all. 
 

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

He doesn't strike me as the person most likely to win back the support of Northern towns. A remain voting lawyer from London.

 

After another 5 years of Tory rule I'm sure they'll be changing their tune. 

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Convinced in what sense? That he can win or that he represents your views? 

Yeah, both of those things. I don’t know if he can connect with and mobilise the vote. I don’t know if he has a vision to address the rise of far right populism, climate change, a capitalist system that is ever accelerating toward disaster...

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, moof said:

Fair enough. I’ve not seen that much of her. Are we saying now that anybody associated with Corbyn or the left of labour is electoral kryptonite? Because I don’t think that is the case, at all. 

I think it’s unwise to allow the next person to be attack for Corbyn’s legacy and for anything they’ve done in that time. If the next few years are about that, it’ll detract from attacking the Tories, and from building a platform. We need to realise that Corbyn was incredibly unpopular and that Labour delivered the worst result this side of the war. I’d like the next person to be free if that, if it makes sense. 
 

 

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

After another 5 years of Tory rule I'm sure they'll be changing their tune. 

They didn’t after 9 years of Tory rule, what’s another 5? 

[Jairzinho]

4 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

After another 5 years of Tory rule I'm sure they'll be changing their tune. 

Well, I fucking hope so.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Just now, moof said:

They didn’t after 9 years of Tory rule, what’s another 5? 

 

They won't have the EU to blame or indeed EU funding in their area. 5 years is a long time in politics mate. 

[Tony Moanero]

9 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Corbyn’s girl, crap in front of a camera of when put under pressure on numbers or policy, and has a smugness that won’t endear her to anyone. Seems a bit of a lightweight to me. 

I disagree that she is smug.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

Fair enough. I’ve not seen that much of her. Are we saying now that anybody associated with Corbyn or the left of labour is electoral kryptonite? Because I don’t think that is the case, at all. 
 

 

There seems to be a concerted effort to do that in the press at the moment. Corbyn, the man, has been defeated. There's hot takes, articles, editorials galore today trying to defeat his politics. They'll label it "Corbynism" but, in reality, it's democratic socialism. The danger now is that the internal mechanisms of the party are influenced by these articles and drift back towards beige, centrist, nothingness and that that is reflected in the choice of the next leader. 

 

I'd imagine a fairly sizeable drop in paying party members if that happens. 

[ZonkoVille77]

Lewis or Starmer. 

Because England is a racist shithole Starmer would prob be the best bet.

 

It matters little anyway. The Tories are going to gerrymander the fuck out of the boundaries and people are too fucking stupid to stand up to their crooked ways.

[moof]

Just now, Numero Veinticinco said:

I think it’s unwise to allow the next person to be attack for Corbyn’s legacy and for anything they’ve done in that time. If the next few years are about that, it’ll detract from attacking the Tories, and from building a platform. We need to realise that Corbyn was incredibly unpopular and that Labour delivered the worst result this side of the war. I’d like the next person to be free if that, if it makes sense. 
 

 

It also ignores the 2017 election where labour had the biggest swing in votes since the 40s or whatever. It’s tempting to throw the baby out with the bath water but you’ll be throwing away the most powerful movement for change in European politics, a fantastic policy platform, a committed and hardworking activist base...