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3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

He never talks about austerity, I'm sure he still supports it. 

But that's my point. He's hardly one to talk. Corbyn's behavior is unacceptable, but his own isn't?

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1 minute ago, MegadriveMan said:

But that's my point. He's hardly one to talk. Corbyn's behavior is unacceptable, but his own isn't?

Thats the levels of hypocrisy we have to deal with. 

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6 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I really don’t understand what’s so ‘extreme’ about Corbyn’s labour. 

He is a jew-hating bomb maker. According to someone who risks losing a few quid if he gets into power. 

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7 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

His point is nothing to do with that, his point is the 2 major parties are living in the extremes, there's nowhere for people to turn who don't support one of those extremes and the current FPTP voting system means nobody can have a credible alternative. 

I understand that. Labour are Left wing, Conservative are Right wing. Wasn't this how Blair won with a landslide in 1997 by moving in to the centre, re branding as New Labour  and making deals with The S*n etc?

 

If there really is a strong need for a centre ground alternative, why hasn't anybody else realized this and launched a brand new party to come in and sweep up? 

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2 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I understand that. Labour are Left wing, Conservative are Right wing. Wasn't this how Blair won with a landslide in 1997 by moving in to the centre, re branding as New Labour  and making deals with The S*n etc?

 

If there really is a strong need for a centre ground alternative, why hasn't anybody else realized this and launched a brand new party to come in and sweep up? 

Because being a centrist is worse than anything - ask the usual suspects. 

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20 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I live in a pretty safe Tory seat, and its quite the leveler when people say how can you vote for Corbyn, when you reply how can you vote for Boris Johnson? 

 

In hindsight, the opposition parties should have all stood together and voted against an election. Corbyn should have chosen to stand down, and given his backing to somebody like Rebbecca Long-Bailey and Labour would have stood a better chance, but as I mentioned earlier I still don't see how that would stop Brexit due to the amount of leave voting constituencies?  

Because some people won't vote on brexit alone. It's not another referendum. It's a big deciding factor, but it's not the only one. 

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4 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I understand that. Labour are Left wing, Conservative are Right wing. Wasn't this how Blair won with a landslide in 1997 by moving in to the centre, re branding as New Labour  and making deals with The S*n etc?

 

If there really is a strong need for a centre ground alternative, why hasn't anybody else realized this and launched a brand new party to come in and sweep up? 

 

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4 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I understand that. Labour are Left wing, Conservative are Right wing. Wasn't this how Blair won with a landslide in 1997 by moving in to the centre, re branding as New Labour  and making deals with The S*n etc?

 

If there really is a strong need for a centre ground alternative, why hasn't anybody else realized this and launched a brand new party to come in and sweep up? 

I think there's an argument that provides an electoral system that doesn't maintain the status quo of the two main parties leaving no chance for anything new to come forward.

 

As an example, if everything was equal in this election, I would probably vote green, even though I am a labour member. I've been disillusioned with labour for some time, I have disliked the way it's dealt with brexit, I've disliked the way the right of the party has refused to accept a left wing person as the leader, I've disliked the lack of leadership and ability to challenge the worst government in history. Fancy being behind this load of shit arsed Nazi cunts in the polls. 

 

But there are 2 major issues with voting green. Firstly, unless you live in Brighton they won't win. So your vote is wasted. Secondly their policies perhaps do not come from a serious place. They won't form a government, so they'll never need to have policies that are actually deliverable. Their presence is almost like a conversation creator to try and drive mainstream parties to greener policies. 

 

Without FPTP, there would be room for other parties. Maybe new ones could stand. There could maybe be a party of the far left and centre left, effectively splitting labour in two. The same with the Tories. Or maybe the LibDems would not be as marginalised as they ar. But then all of these politicians would need to learn to work on compromise or nothing would get done. Instead of some of the stupidity we've seen from parliament over the past 3 years , we would hopefully have a group of people who are used to working with people from different perspectives. 

 

I'm fully behind any idea of electoral reform. I think it would deliver government more in tune with the people who vote for it and I believe would be more likely to be left wing than right, even if that was only left of centre. In my memorable lifetime (the 1st election I can remember was Thatcher in 79) the Tories have won all but the "new labour" elections. In that time they've never had 50% of the votes to my knowledge and in most cases all other parties have been standing on a centre to left platform. I've lived my life except for one decade under right wing governments when the popular vote was centre to left. I'd like that to change. 

 

 

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38 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

But that's my point. He's hardly one to talk. Corbyn's behavior is unacceptable, but his own isn't?

Politicians are two faced cunts. I don't think there's one that isn't. 

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1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

It’s really not, it’s fucking garbage, standard is owned by a Russian oligarch no?

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1 minute ago, arthur friedenreich said:

It’s really not, it’s fucking garbage, standard is owned by a Russian oligarch no?

Opinions hey?  

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2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Opinions hey?  

He lost all credibility with this line "If Labour wins a majority next month, the public will vote to install an anti-Semite in No 10 Downing Street." Not that he had any anyway. 

 

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4 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It was in the system because they used the older footage in preview material before the ceremony.

Makes sense.

 

I've just seen the actual thing in context and it's fuck all for anyone to get excited about.  If they'd used it as "here's the PM doing a great job at the Cenotaph yesterday", then it would be worrying.  But they didn't.  It was just some semi-relevant moving images to accompany a story about Tory and Labour policy announcements.  

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44 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I understand that. Labour are Left wing, Conservative are Right wing. Wasn't this how Blair won with a landslide in 1997 by moving in to the centre, re branding as New Labour  and making deals with The S*n etc?

 

If there really is a strong need for a centre ground alternative, why hasn't anybody else realized this and launched a brand new party to come in and sweep up? 

Centrist New Labour got hammered in the general elections of 2010 and 2015 and got wiped out in Scotland. Even in 2005 under Blair, they only picked up 35% and lost nearly 50 seats compared to 2001. In all New Labour went from over 400 seats in 1997/ 2001 to about 230 in 2001.

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1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

I really don’t understand what’s so ‘extreme’ about Corbyn’s labour. 

Only a dyed-in-the-wool Stalinist could support such insane and dangerous Bolshevism.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I think there's an argument that provides an electoral system that doesn't maintain the status quo of the two main parties leaving no chance for anything new to come forward. Yes I would like to see this too, but I don't think it will ever happen.

 

As an example, if everything was equal in this election, I would probably vote green, even though I am a labour member. I've been disillusioned with labour for some time, I have disliked the way it's dealt with brexit, I've disliked the way the right of the party has refused to accept a left wing person as the leader, I've disliked the lack of leadership and ability to challenge the worst government in history. Fancy being behind this load of shit arsed Nazi cunts in the polls. I watched an interview with John McDonnell recently where he spoke about Corbyn being appointed leader and he admitted that didn't really ever expect it to happen. They were just hoping to get a left wing/socialist in the shadow cabinet. It was always going to be a big job to try and transform the party, and its a job that still isn't finished. How do you think Labour should have dealt with Brexit differently? 

 

But there are 2 major issues with voting green. Firstly, unless you live in Brighton they won't win. So your vote is wasted. Secondly their policies perhaps do not come from a serious place. They won't form a government, so they'll never need to have policies that are actually deliverable. Their presence is almost like a conversation creator to try and drive mainstream parties to greener policies. 

 

Without FPTP, there would be room for other parties. Maybe new ones could stand. There could maybe be a party of the far left and centre left, effectively splitting labour in two. The same with the Tories. Or maybe the LibDems would not be as marginalised as they ar. But then all of these politicians would need to learn to work on compromise or nothing would get done. Instead of some of the stupidity we've seen from parliament over the past 3 years , we would hopefully have a group of people who are used to working with people from different perspectives. Haven't we recently experienced this though? Parliament is stuck at the moment because none of the parties will work together Even the vast amount of remain MP's couldn't come to a compromise to stop Brexit.

 

I'm fully behind any idea of electoral reform. I think it would deliver government more in tune with the people who vote for it and I believe would be more likely to be left wing than right, even if that was only left of centre. In my memorable lifetime (the 1st election I can remember was Thatcher in 79) the Tories have won all but the "new labour" elections. In that time they've never had 50% of the votes to my knowledge and in most cases all other parties have been standing on a centre to left platform. I've lived my life except for one decade under right wing governments when the popular vote was centre to left. I'd like that to change. 

 

I've only really been interested in politics for 5 years,inspired mainly because of a hatred of Farage/Right wing ideas and the chance to see a left wing Labour Party. At the 2015 Election the Tories got a majority with a 36.8% share of the votes Labour got 30.4% and in third place UKIP got 12.6%.  Under a different system in 2015 we would have had Farage and a huge number of Ukip Mp's in parliament.

 

The reason that we had the referendum, voted out and now have a Right Wing Tory Goverment looming is because there is clearly more of a desire for Right Wing Politics. It's not just in this country either, it seems to be happening all across the world.  

 

 

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12 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Only a dyed-in-the-wool Stalinist could support such insane and dangerous Bolshevism.

 

 

This sums it up though. Any Left wing Labour leader will just get smeared so much that they will never be taken seriously.

 

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On 10/11/2019 at 11:20, Rico1304 said:

It’s like that time he didn’t make a cunt of himself in the pub and get barred.  

This time?

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/pub-landlady-lifts-lifetime-ban-13175576

 

Are you suggesting that because a landlady claimed him and his mates got a bit loud when they were celebrating an election win, it follows that he was making a really lame attempt at being anti-Semitic on a bus full of journalists (who then chose not to report it, because they don't like to mention that sort of thing when it comes to Labour lefties)?

 

The real question is, are you a complete fucking moron?

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