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"It's also been confirmed that the government has ordered a review to consider decriminalising non-payment of the BBC licence fee - which costs £154.50 annually"

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

This was at one of those protests last night. 

 

Less than 24 hours after the election and people like this already feel emboldened. What was usually only seen online now appears to be moving to the streets. Where are the anti-racists who talked about a hyped up threat to Jewish people under Corbyn? What are they doing to stamp out this kind of rhetoric, which seems to be similar to Johnson's negative comment about EU nationals treating the UK as their home, before it grows in frequency and becomes more aggressive? 

 

We're fucked, you know! 

 

 

You just know he's the kind of guy who bangs on about us winning the war while at the same time spouting his why should we help anyone else bullshit.

 

 

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Couldn’t get any audio on that vid at first. When I did, he sounded exactly like I expected him to sound. Same accent and whiny tone I’d had in my head. What a tosser.

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12 hours ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

You don't have to apply, it is part of the current EU set up for members. Even after that finishes for the UK (if that is what happens) people can still emigrate to other countries within the EU if they pass the rules/regs for the country of choice. Brexit won't prevent emigration, it just makes it harder. 

 

10 hours ago, polymerpunkah said:

 

Ex_EU.jpg


Thanks, but I was thinking something like - can just fuck off your country and be only an EU citizen.

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On 14/12/2019 at 08:16, Anubis said:


Whereas your master plan of coming out for a remain would have lost even more seats where The Brexit Party would have disappeared up the Tories backside. Another FBPE bullshitter.

 

On 14/12/2019 at 09:21, viRdjil said:

Entertaining Remain killed Labour, not just fence sitting IMO

Haha WTF?

 

I'm not FBPE, I don't even have a Twitter account. You need to get a grip, the Labour loss is squarely down to the Labour leadership, not some remainers on Twitter. If Tory rule is going to have an adverse effect on you, you need to be aiming your ire at Corbyn and his little cabal. They've truly fucked it for the country by being shit.

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11 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

Haha WTF?

 

I'm not FBPE, I don't even have a Twitter account. You need to get a grip, the Labour loss is squarely down to the Labour leadership, not some remainers on Twitter. If Tory rule is going to have an adverse effect on you, you need to be aiming your ire at Corbyn and his little cabal. They've truly fucked it for the country by being shit.

i was half agreeing with you. You said fence-sitting with regards to Brexit, I just went one further... Labour should’ve continued on respecting the result of the referendum, and I’d say yeah Corbyn is prob to blame for that. He should’ve been stronger. Surely you’re not suggesting Labour should’ve gone full Remain?

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25 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

i was half agreeing with you. You said fence-sitting with regards to Brexit, I just went one further... Labour should’ve continued on respecting the result of the referendum, and I’d say yeah Corbyn is prob to blame for that. He should’ve been stronger. Surely you’re not suggesting Labour should’ve gone full Remain?

Of course he is. People like Mr Clean here can’t accept culpability for how they wound leavers up and demanded their People’s Vote. It’s all Corbyn. Has to be. Because otherwise they have to look at themselves, and we can’t have that. They just won’t accept it was bigger factors than Corbyn. You’ve only got a look at Jo Maugham’s twitter feed. No mention of how they all bigged up the Lib Dem’s. Worked a treat for them. They won’t accept combinations of factors played a part. Fucking biggest shithouses going. 

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I’ve said for years that there was literally no Brexit stance that Labour could have taken that would have secured a victory for us. If we’d gone full Leave, we’d have picked up some eventual Tory votes but lost our Remain supporters. Similarly if we’d gone full Remain we’d have been equally fucked. There are too many Leavers, unfortunately. I agreed completely with Corbyn’s stance, and was expecting a small Tory majority. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I can’t see a Brexit stance that would have worked. What we got was the best we could have expected in the circumstances (‘The circumstances’ being Brexit, a Labour Party full of non-socialist MPs intent on sowing division, and a corrupt, filthy media).

 

The only thing I would have changed is that I wish we’d played dirtier. We were too nice, too fair. We should have purged the trouble-making centrists and Corbyn should have stood up for himself and answered the criticisms thrown at him head on, instead of being all Gandhi and turning the other cheek. I think that’s been his downfall. People see it as a weakness. I believe it’s a strength. 

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11 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Of course he is. People like Mr Clean here can’t accept culpability for how they wound leavers up and demanded their People’s Vote. It’s all Corbyn. Has to be. Because otherwise they have to look at themselves, and we can’t have that. They just won’t accept it was bigger factors than Corbyn. You’ve only got a look at Jo Maugham’s twitter feed. No mention of how they all bigged up the Lib Dem’s. Worked a treat for them. They won’t accept combinations of factors played a part. Fucking biggest shithouses going. 

Jo Maugham is one odious character.

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Just now, viRdjil said:

Jo Maugham is one odious character.

I don’t think he is. I think some of the things he’s trying to achieve with the Good Law project are excellent, and I’ve financially supported some of it. But he allowed personal prejudice to influence what he was saying to his followers about the election, and didn’t recognise that politicking wasn’t his game.

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2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I don’t think he is. I think some of the things he’s trying to achieve with the Good Law project are excellent, and I’ve financially supported some of it. But he allowed personal prejudice to influence what he was saying to his followers about the election, and didn’t recognise that politicking wasn’t his game.

I genuinely can’t stand the cunt.

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1 hour ago, Teasmaid said:

I’ve said for years that there was literally no Brexit stance that Labour could have taken that would have secured a victory for us. If we’d gone full Leave, we’d have picked up some eventual Tory votes but lost our Remain supporters. Similarly if we’d gone full Remain we’d have been equally fucked. There are too many Leavers, unfortunately. I agreed completely with Corbyn’s stance, and was expecting a small Tory majority. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I can’t see a Brexit stance that would have worked. What we got was the best we could have expected in the circumstances (‘The circumstances’ being Brexit, a Labour Party full of non-socialist MPs intent on sowing division, and a corrupt, filthy media).

 

The only thing I would have changed is that I wish we’d played dirtier. We were too nice, too fair. We should have purged the trouble-making centrists and Corbyn should have stood up for himself and answered the criticisms thrown at him head on, instead of being all Gandhi and turning the other cheek. I think that’s been his downfall. People see it as a weakness. I believe it’s a strength. 

That last paragraph sums it up for me, Corbyn needed to be more ballsy or arrogant as people don't seem to care for core beliefs, they go more for "strong leadership" or being more cunty.

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2 hours ago, Teasmaid said:

I’ve said for years that there was literally no Brexit stance that Labour could have taken that would have secured a victory for us. If we’d gone full Leave, we’d have picked up some eventual Tory votes but lost our Remain supporters. Similarly if we’d gone full Remain we’d have been equally fucked. There are too many Leavers, unfortunately. I agreed completely with Corbyn’s stance, and was expecting a small Tory majority. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I can’t see a Brexit stance that would have worked. What we got was the best we could have expected in the circumstances (‘The circumstances’ being Brexit, a Labour Party full of non-socialist MPs intent on sowing division, and a corrupt, filthy media).

 

The only thing I would have changed is that I wish we’d played dirtier. We were too nice, too fair. We should have purged the trouble-making centrists and Corbyn should have stood up for himself and answered the criticisms thrown at him head on, instead of being all Gandhi and turning the other cheek. I think that’s been his downfall. People see it as a weakness. I believe it’s a strength. 


This would have certainly made elections more interesting to watch. And probably spell the end of Labour as a force for a longer period.

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1 hour ago, SasaS said:


This would have certainly made elections more interesting to watch. And probably spell the end of Labour as a force for a longer period.

I don’t disagree, but as long as they’re in the party, they’ll keep trying to bring us down. We need to make a clean cut now. If they’ve got a problem with democratic socialist policies, they’re the ones in the wrong party. We shouldn’t change the essence of what we stand for to accommodate those who don’t believe in what we stand for. They should go now, and let us start to put the pieces back together.

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1 hour ago, SasaS said:


This would have certainly made elections more interesting to watch. And probably spell the end of Labour as a force for a longer period.

Not necessarily SasaS , they made the error of letting the unions stop open selections at Conference and accept some watered-down shite which did not do the job. Corbyn should also have sued the first person who actually called him an anti-Semite ( not the cowardly bollocks of 'facilitating anti-semitism' ) and let the law prove whether it was true. 

 

' When they go low , we go high ' sounds great as a soundbite but when they are as  low as Johnson , the right wing press and Hodge you have to show a bit of gumption or people see you as a doormat.

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A big ray of hope. The number crunchers have stated that 57% of the votes cast voted for Labour led by Corbyn. Biggest in history for that age group. That in itself is promising but as the sage pointed out the result of the number of young people voting Corbyn is telling because under normal circumstances people seem to get more right wing as they get older; however unlike previous elections (Blair v Major etc) the political gap is far to wide for the younger voter to switch to the conservatives. 

 

The kids are now the adults in the room.

 

The European issues and all the answers that apparently t comes with it will not be there at the next vote,  environmental issues most definitely will. 

 

 

It's going to be a hard few years but hope is not lost. 

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1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

A big ray of hope. The number crunchers have stated that 57% of the votes cast voted for Labour led by Corbyn. Biggest in history for that age group. That in itself is promising but as the sage pointed out the result of the number of young people voting Corbyn is telling because under normal circumstances people seem to get more right wing as they get older; however unlike previous elections (Blair v Major etc) the political gap is far to wide for the younger voter to switch to the conservatives. 

 

The kids are now the adults in the room.

 

The European issues and all the answers that apparently t comes with it will not be there at the next vote,  environmental issues most definitely will. 

 

 

It's going to be a hard few years but hope is not lost. 

To be fair you predicted the Tories would be destroyed for years so...

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