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1 minute ago, magicrat said:

I'm voting Labour but would hold my nose and vote LD if I was in a constituency where tactical voting could keep out a Tory. This election is pivotal and seeing the Tories defeated ranks above anything else.

Yep thats fair enough. But only in a constituency where labour literally doesn’t have a chance. Otherwise tactical voting is a crock of shit for this election 

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2 minutes ago, moof said:

Yep thats fair enough. But only in a constituency where labour literally doesn’t have a chance. Otherwise tactical voting is a crock of shit for this election 

The information on who is best placed to beat the Tory is all out there for every constituency . People should check and act accordingly and I think a lot of right minded people will. 

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3 minutes ago, magicrat said:

The information on who is best placed to beat the Tory is all out there for every constituency . People should check and act accordingly and I think a lot of right minded people will. 

The information isn’t always accurate and doesn’t account for new voters. There are plenty of examples of people being badly advised which way to vote tactically and bullshit electoral pacts between Lib Dem’s and greens or plaid that dilutes vote for Labour, even remain labour MPs. So, I take that tactical voting advice with a pinch of salt. 

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1 minute ago, kop77 said:

Boris get on Andrew Neil you shithouse

He doesn't need too. They win without even trying. People who say the media such as the old tabloids has lost its influence are deluded. We get who Murdoch and Rothmere want by hook or crook.

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14 minutes ago, magicrat said:

The information on who is best placed to beat the Tory is all out there for every constituency . People should check and act accordingly and I think a lot of right minded people will. 

 

Sure, but there's no agreement on who is best placed. Labour are in denial and are going to finish third in places which they won or finished second in last time, but they're still insisting that they're the main opposition to the Tories in places like Wimbledon, Kensington, Finchley & Golders Green etc. They risk letting the Tories in through the back door.

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1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Sure, but there's no agreement on who is best placed. Labour are in denial and are going to finish third in places which they won or finished second in last time, but they're still insisting that they're the main opposition to the Tories in places like Wimbledon, Kensington, Finchley & Golders Green etc. They risk letting the Tories in through the back door.

What do you make of the Libs making out that they are the main opposition to parties in places they are nowhere near? Misleading isn't it? (not a dig at all just want your take on it) 

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8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Sure, but there's no agreement on who is best placed. Labour are in denial and are going to finish third in places which they won or finished second in last time, but they're still insisting that they're the main opposition to the Tories in places like Wimbledon, Kensington, Finchley & Golders Green etc. They risk letting the Tories in through the back door.

Nonsense

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39 minutes ago, moof said:

Political bullying? Boo fucking hoo

Boo fucking hoo is exactly the right answer. To all options arguing it's a binary choice, because you made yourself unappealing to floating voters or potential coalition partners.

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5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

What do you make of the Libs making out that they are the main opposition to parties in places they are nowhere near? Misleading isn't it? (not a dig at all just want your take on it) 

 

What I would say is that often you're talking about leaflets that were designed/printed when Labour and the Lib Dems were practically neck and neck in the polls. Things change pretty quickly and seats that looked like realistic targets are now no longer realistic targets. So they need to be viewed in that context.

 

Irrespective of what leaflets may say, we are not campaigning hard in places where we can't win.

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Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

What I would say is that often you're talking about leaflets that were designed/printed when Labour and the Lib Dems were practically neck and neck in the polls. Things change pretty quickly and seats that looked like realistic targets are now no longer realistic targets. So they need to be viewed in that context.

 

Irrespective of what leaflets may say, we are not campaigning hard in places where we can't win.

That’s categorically not true 

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3 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Boo fucking hoo is exactly the right answer. To all options arguing it's a binary choice, because you made yourself unappealing to floating voters or potential coalition partners.

More unappealing than the far right proto fascist Johnson led tories. Which is exactly my point. 

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2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Well it clearly is true, because it is.

You know it isn’t. Stop playing pretend. 

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So you want green voters like me (green party member too) to hold my nose and vote Labour (even in a constituency like mine where it'll make fuck all difference)?

 

Sorry mate, I made my choice, I like Corbyn and if there were more like him in Labour I may never have turned to the greens, but I can't go back (even though I'm pissed off at our 'remain alliance' with the Con Dumbs)!

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3 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

So you want green voters like me (green party member too) to hold my nose and vote Labour (even in a constituency like mine where it'll make fuck all difference)?

 

Sorry mate, I made my choice, I like Corbyn and if there were more like him in Labour I may never have turned to the greens, but I can't go back (even though I'm pissed off at our 'remain alliance' with the Con Dumbs)!

If you live in a constituency where your vote doesn’t count for anything, then fine, vote your conscience. If you’re in a marginal or hotly contested constituency and your vote goes anywhere other than to Jeremy Corbyn, and you aren’t a millionaire or an oligarch, you’re a mug. 

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36 minutes ago, moof said:

More unappealing than the far right proto fascist Johnson led tories. Which is exactly my point. 

The initial point (of this discussion) was that the entire political system is just a binary choice between more or less fascism and whoever runs the Labour Party and where ever they take it. 

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I'm in David Davis's area (my brother has had 4 leaflets through the door for that cunt now, and he told me a bit ago he's literally spat on every one of them, still makes me laugh.) and you could say my vote means nothing, but still voted Labour because not ever having voted for Corbyn if he's out after this would be something I'd always regret.

 

Also though : If enough people vote Labour in an area they have no chance in (unless Libs/SNP can take the seat this time), those votes might add up to a decent amount and the party might start taking that area more seriously in the future/put more focus on campaigning there, weakening it for the Tories.

 

The 2nd bit for me isn't as strong a thing though and I'll probably be back for Greens next time. Or will I? I don't know any more, the Tories have become that bad that maybe a change in the voting system or a total center-right, corporate loving twat being Labour leader is the only way I'd move back over. What a shit system we're dealing with.

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31 minutes ago, moof said:

If you live in a constituency where your vote doesn’t count for anything, then fine, vote your conscience. If you’re in a marginal or hotly contested constituency and your vote goes anywhere other than to Jeremy Corbyn, and you aren’t a millionaire or an oligarch, you’re a mug. 

I disagree, fuck the Con Dumbs and the rest, but I'm a green party member and I couldn't vote Labour whilst that remains the case!

 

I've been let down by (the admittedly mainly Blairite) Labour party far too often in the past!

 

I genuinely wish Corbyn well, I'm still and will always be a socialist, and I hope he springs as big a surprise, if not bigger than last time.

 

I personally just hope there are a few more greens in parliament to help (and occasionally if I'm honest hinder) him!

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4 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I'm not going to knock anyone who votes tactically, because I completely understand the feeling of wanting your vote to count and voting for a lesser evil, but third party supporters voting to keep Tories or Labour out are perpetuating and entrenching that duopoly.

 

Some will term them wasted votes, but any vote for parties outside the big two, even if there's no chance of victory, just adds to the mandate for electoral reform.

 

We had Tory governments throughout the 80s, and now, and probably for the next 5 years, even though most of the country is voting against them. I don't think this is a situation that can or should be allowed to continue.

 

Maybe the LibDems could have done something about that on 2010 when selling us all for 5 years of austerity in return for a vote for a voting system more shite than the one we currently have. 

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