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He keeps saying the same shite...the same tired soundbites, the same emtpy tubthumping.

 

But sadly millions of fucking morons in this country are buying it - like those brummie beauts in that video posted the other day.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, an tha said:

He keeps saying the same shite...the same tired soundbites, the same emtpy tubthumping.

 

But sadly millions of fucking morons in this country are buying it - like those brummie beauts in that video posted the other day.

 

 

Once we Get Brexit Done and Take Back Control we will have a Strong And Stable country. 

 

Lying Tory Cunts.

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Rob Delaneys article in the guardian on the NHS is pretty good as are some of the comments. The American system is horrible, shame on any politician that sees that as a better alternative because if they do it's purely about greed.

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2 hours ago, Brownie said:

Fair enough, I don’t see it that way. By your logic the Tories didn’t win two of the last 3 elections but they’ve still been in power.

Exactly that. That’s why they couldn’t do exactly what they wanted. But I get your view too. You can win by virtue of doing the best. 

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3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Scathing:

 

 

Calm down Stronts. That’s about as credible as that FactCheckUK debacle. He’s a Tory.

 


Here’s a more balanced verdict from the Guardian.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/04/would-labour-really-save-families-more-than-6700-a-year

 

TL;DR version:

Nationalisation could save households money that would otherwise go to private investors, but is reliant on the smooth execution of Labour’s plan.

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21 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Calm down Stronts. That’s about as credible as that FactCheckUK debacle. He's a Tory.


 

 

I think I'd prefer if you addressed his arguments rather than him personally. As his thread demonstrates, the figure of £6700 is transparently nonsensical, and in no way applies to an "average family".

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Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I think I'd prefer if you addressed his arguments rather than him personally. As his thread demonstrates, the figure of £6700 is transparently nonsensical, and in no way applies to an "average family".

Not gonna waste my time scrutinising an openly biased source soz Stronts. Especially when a more impartial source (The Guardian) says it’s fair dinkum (with caveats).

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24 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Not gonna waste my time scrutinising an openly biased source soz Stronts.

 

No, you're just going to take another biased source, one which doesn't have solid mathematics behind it, as gospel truth instead.

 

How wonderful when you can just disregard people's expert opinions wholesale, no matter how much evidential support they provide, just because you dislike their ideological bent. A recipe for true lifetime ignorance.

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Labour's accounting for all these things we could get if they get in power are dodgy, I don't think you can really deny that if you look at it enough. Especially when you look at the way they've responded when being confronted about where they're going to get the massive amount of cash for WASPI women for a start. There's just been repeated deflection to why they should get the money instead of how they're going to get it.

 

We saw it with Corbyn when Neil asked him and we saw it on Question Time too. And the rail thing there that the Tory points out does show that what he's covering is already off by a big amount, then there's stuff that might only factor in years down the line (which he also points out.) So I agree that a lot of Labour's figures are probably off. If they get in power the media will have a field day with it all too.

 

I'd rather that happen though and believe that Corbyn and plenty of other Labour members would be genuinely working at making things better for the majority of the country than see the Tories get in and spend another several years gutting the place even more. And Tories will make things way worse if they take us out of the EU and start making trade "deals" with countries like the US.

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20 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

It looks that way, doesn’t it? Are they frit?

Get #shthouseTories & #ShithousePMJohnson  trending on twitter for the last week. Be great to see KGMurthy asking one of them to respond to the shithouse theme.

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4 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

No, you're just going to take another biased source, one which doesn't have solid mathematics behind it, as gospel truth instead.

 

How wonderful when you can just disregard people's expert opinions wholesale, no matter how much evidential support they provide, just because you dislike their ideological bent. A recipe for true lifetime ignorance.

It’s the equivalent of TheFactCheckUK from @CCHQ. I’d rather a more impartial source please. 

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16 hours ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

I'm guessing If anyone says they don't watch the Queens Speech, down voted...probably by cunts who don't watch it themselves. 

How many of the the spongers actually was arch it themselves? Bet yer auld Betty swerves the fucking thing.

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Labour haven't challenged 3 big things, and they could've been doing this since before the campaign started, and also put out reports during the campaign on each of them : the antisemitism smear campaign, the bias in the mainstream media, Islamophobia in the Tory party.

 

They could've directed the public to Jewish groups supporting Labour, Muslim groups that have investigated the Islamophobia, Medialens and others for a detailed history on the media bias, Electronic Intifada and others for a detailed history on the smear campaign and ignorance of Tory Islamophobia. They could've also got help from Mark Curtis and others on how parts of the establishment and intelligence agencies have been against Corbyn from the off, and made a big thing now on that with the help of Declassified UK.

 

They could've bundled this info up and sent leaflets around the country explaining key parts of all 3 of them before the election and won back quite a lot of voters by challenging so much of it. But they've mostly just sat back and accepted it all, or apologised as timed and coordinated smears have been rolled out again and again, and as the media have continually been one sided from the start. Yes the media would've attacked them for it and been biased, yes there'd have been howls of antisemitism, but those things are happening anyway so what would there be to lose? At least some truth would've got through. Is this because Corbyn believes his message and the manifesto can cut through all of this? Is it his version of nicer politics? Do they simply fear the backlash of challenging it all? Who knows.

 

So many parts of the establishment's manipulation are exposed and talked about day after day on social media and to supporters online it's widely accepted, Labour don't get involved in or comment on hardly any of it though. It's like there's a massive disconnect between what many supporters are talking about and what the party chooses to focus on or stay quiet about.

 

If Labour lose and Corbyn steps down the next leader has to challenge all of this, because it'll just start up again if they don't like who it is. And if the person is genuine and wants to help people like Corbyn wants to, they won't like who it is and off we go again.

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7 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Is this because Corbyn believes his message and the manifesto can cut through all of this? Is it his version of nicer politics? Do they simply fear the backlash of challenging it all? Who knows.

 

I think it's a combination of these things and not wanting to play ball with the media- Millband and Brown tried and were eviscerated. The AS smears are particularly insidious and hard to defend against, I think even a Campbell-type figure and his rebuttal squad would have difficulty with it.

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5 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I think it's a combination of these things and not wanting to play ball with the media- Millband and Brown tried and were eviscerated. The AS smears are particularly insidious and hard to defend against, I think even a Campbell-type figure and his rebuttal squad would have difficulty with it.

 

It'd be hard to do it but it looks like someone's going to have to if Labour lose this because of how well it's worked. They can just roll it out again whenever they like and add to democracy being more or less wiped out if not. There's been so much talk about how the internet has changed things and it has done, but not enough to deal with this onslaught at this stage. Maybe in time it'll get better but it definitely looks bleak right now.

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6 hours ago, viRdjil said:

It’s the equivalent of TheFactCheckUK from @CCHQ. I’d rather a more impartial source please. 

 

No it isn't, if you'd taken any time to look at it.

 

Your receptiveness to an argument seems to depend on who is making it rather than a rational appraisal of the argument's merits. What kind of approach is that?

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