General Election 2019

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8 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Fuck Off And Grow Up You Cunts Street 

We have a winner!

[skend04]

On 14/12/2019 at 08:16, Anubis said:

Whereas your master plan of coming out for a remain would have lost even more seats where The Brexit Party would have disappeared up the Tories backside. Another FBPE bullshitter.

 

On 14/12/2019 at 09:21, viRdjil said:

Entertaining Remain killed Labour, not just fence sitting IMO

Haha WTF?

 

I'm not FBPE, I don't even have a Twitter account. You need to get a grip, the Labour loss is squarely down to the Labour leadership, not some remainers on Twitter. If Tory rule is going to have an adverse effect on you, you need to be aiming your ire at Corbyn and his little cabal. They've truly fucked it for the country by being shit.

[aRdja]

11 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

Haha WTF?

 

I'm not FBPE, I don't even have a Twitter account. You need to get a grip, the Labour loss is squarely down to the Labour leadership, not some remainers on Twitter. If Tory rule is going to have an adverse effect on you, you need to be aiming your ire at Corbyn and his little cabal. They've truly fucked it for the country by being shit.

i was half agreeing with you. You said fence-sitting with regards to Brexit, I just went one further... Labour should’ve continued on respecting the result of the referendum, and I’d say yeah Corbyn is prob to blame for that. He should’ve been stronger. Surely you’re not suggesting Labour should’ve gone full Remain?

[Anubis]

25 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

i was half agreeing with you. You said fence-sitting with regards to Brexit, I just went one further... Labour should’ve continued on respecting the result of the referendum, and I’d say yeah Corbyn is prob to blame for that. He should’ve been stronger. Surely you’re not suggesting Labour should’ve gone full Remain?

Of course he is. People like Mr Clean here can’t accept culpability for how they wound leavers up and demanded their People’s Vote. It’s all Corbyn. Has to be. Because otherwise they have to look at themselves, and we can’t have that. They just won’t accept it was bigger factors than Corbyn. You’ve only got a look at Jo Maugham’s twitter feed. No mention of how they all bigged up the Lib Dem’s. Worked a treat for them. They won’t accept combinations of factors played a part. Fucking biggest shithouses going. 

[Teasmaid]

I’ve said for years that there was literally no Brexit stance that Labour could have taken that would have secured a victory for us. If we’d gone full Leave, we’d have picked up some eventual Tory votes but lost our Remain supporters. Similarly if we’d gone full Remain we’d have been equally fucked. There are too many Leavers, unfortunately. I agreed completely with Corbyn’s stance, and was expecting a small Tory majority. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I can’t see a Brexit stance that would have worked. What we got was the best we could have expected in the circumstances (‘The circumstances’ being Brexit, a Labour Party full of non-socialist MPs intent on sowing division, and a corrupt, filthy media).

 

The only thing I would have changed is that I wish we’d played dirtier. We were too nice, too fair. We should have purged the trouble-making centrists and Corbyn should have stood up for himself and answered the criticisms thrown at him head on, instead of being all Gandhi and turning the other cheek. I think that’s been his downfall. People see it as a weakness. I believe it’s a strength. 

[aRdja]

11 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Of course he is. People like Mr Clean here can’t accept culpability for how they wound leavers up and demanded their People’s Vote. It’s all Corbyn. Has to be. Because otherwise they have to look at themselves, and we can’t have that. They just won’t accept it was bigger factors than Corbyn. You’ve only got a look at Jo Maugham’s twitter feed. No mention of how they all bigged up the Lib Dem’s. Worked a treat for them. They won’t accept combinations of factors played a part. Fucking biggest shithouses going. 

Jo Maugham is one odious character.

[Anubis]

Just now, viRdjil said:

Jo Maugham is one odious character.

I don’t think he is. I think some of the things he’s trying to achieve with the Good Law project are excellent, and I’ve financially supported some of it. But he allowed personal prejudice to influence what he was saying to his followers about the election, and didn’t recognise that politicking wasn’t his game.

[aRdja]

2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I don’t think he is. I think some of the things he’s trying to achieve with the Good Law project are excellent, and I’ve financially supported some of it. But he allowed personal prejudice to influence what he was saying to his followers about the election, and didn’t recognise that politicking wasn’t his game.

I genuinely can’t stand the cunt.

[SasaS]

2 hours ago, Teasmaid said:

I’ve said for years that there was literally no Brexit stance that Labour could have taken that would have secured a victory for us. If we’d gone full Leave, we’d have picked up some eventual Tory votes but lost our Remain supporters. Similarly if we’d gone full Remain we’d have been equally fucked. There are too many Leavers, unfortunately. I agreed completely with Corbyn’s stance, and was expecting a small Tory majority. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I can’t see a Brexit stance that would have worked. What we got was the best we could have expected in the circumstances (‘The circumstances’ being Brexit, a Labour Party full of non-socialist MPs intent on sowing division, and a corrupt, filthy media).

 

The only thing I would have changed is that I wish we’d played dirtier. We were too nice, too fair. We should have purged the trouble-making centrists and Corbyn should have stood up for himself and answered the criticisms thrown at him head on, instead of being all Gandhi and turning the other cheek. I think that’s been his downfall. People see it as a weakness. I believe it’s a strength. 

This would have certainly made elections more interesting to watch. And probably spell the end of Labour as a force for a longer period.

[Teasmaid]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

This would have certainly made elections more interesting to watch. And probably spell the end of Labour as a force for a longer period.

I don’t disagree, but as long as they’re in the party, they’ll keep trying to bring us down. We need to make a clean cut now. If they’ve got a problem with democratic socialist policies, they’re the ones in the wrong party. We shouldn’t change the essence of what we stand for to accommodate those who don’t believe in what we stand for. They should go now, and let us start to put the pieces back together.

[Dougie Do'ins]

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

This would have certainly made elections more interesting to watch. And probably spell the end of Labour as a force for a longer period.

Not necessarily SasaS , they made the error of letting the unions stop open selections at Conference and accept some watered-down shite which did not do the job. Corbyn should also have sued the first person who actually called him an anti-Semite ( not the cowardly bollocks of 'facilitating anti-semitism' ) and let the law prove whether it was true. 

 

' When they go low , we go high ' sounds great as a soundbite but when they are as  low as Johnson , the right wing press and Hodge you have to show a bit of gumption or people see you as a doormat.

[Gnasher]

A big ray of hope. The number crunchers have stated that 57% of the votes cast voted for Labour led by Corbyn. Biggest in history for that age group. That in itself is promising but as the sage pointed out the result of the number of young people voting Corbyn is telling because under normal circumstances people seem to get more right wing as they get older; however unlike previous elections (Blair v Major etc) the political gap is far to wide for the younger voter to switch to the conservatives. 

 

The kids are now the adults in the room.

 

The European issues and all the answers that apparently t comes with it will not be there at the next vote,  environmental issues most definitely will. 

 

 

It's going to be a hard few years but hope is not lost. 

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

A big ray of hope. The number crunchers have stated that 57% of the votes cast voted for Labour led by Corbyn. Biggest in history for that age group. That in itself is promising but as the sage pointed out the result of the number of young people voting Corbyn is telling because under normal circumstances people seem to get more right wing as they get older; however unlike previous elections (Blair v Major etc) the political gap is far to wide for the younger voter to switch to the conservatives. 

 

The kids are now the adults in the room.

 

The European issues and all the answers that apparently t comes with it will not be there at the next vote,  environmental issues most definitely will. 

 

 

It's going to be a hard few years but hope is not lost. 

To be fair you predicted the Tories would be destroyed for years so...

[sir roger]

At last , somebody in power calling out the BBC for its bias. Hang on.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/15/boris-johnson-threatens-bbc-with-two-pronged-attack

[Strontium]

Outrageous. Populist attacks on the BBC is Labour's territory.

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, Teasmaid said:

I don’t disagree, but as long as they’re in the party, they’ll keep trying to bring us down. We need to make a clean cut now. If they’ve got a problem with democratic socialist policies, they’re the ones in the wrong party. We shouldn’t change the essence of what we stand for to accommodate those who don’t believe in what we stand for. They should go now, and let us start to put the pieces back together.

 

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

Not necessarily SasaS , they made the error of letting the unions stop open selections at Conference and accept some watered-down shite which did not do the job. Corbyn should also have sued the first person who actually called him an anti-Semite ( not the cowardly bollocks of 'facilitating anti-semitism' ) and let the law prove whether it was true. 

 

' When they go low , we go high ' sounds great as a soundbite but when they are as  low as Johnson , the right wing press and Hodge you have to show a bit of gumption or people see you as a doormat.

Let me get this straight, after the defeat Labour should identify an ideologically impure internal enemy as the cause and purge it, then double down on the policy in place before the defeat? Throw in a couple of internal feuds and an eventual big split in the party and victory is almost within reach.

 

[Rico1304]

Nailed it. 
 

Labour have won 3 elections in 50 years.  Don’t want to risk that stat. 

[aRdja]

7 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Let me get this straight, after the defeat Labour should identify an ideologically impure internal enemy as the cause and purge it, then double down on the policy in place before the defeat? Throw in a couple of internal feuds and an eventual big split in the party and victory is almost within reach.

 

That’s what Johnson did right? He purged 20+ MPs for dissent earlier in the year and it worked okay for them.

[sir roger]

2 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Let me get this straight, after the defeat Labour should identify an ideologically impure internal enemy as the cause and purge it, then double down on the policy in place before the defeat? Throw in a couple of internal feuds and an eventual big split in the party and victory is almost within reach.

 

I was talking about when Corbyn took over.

 

Despite the rubbish we are hearing now , Corbyn was far more accommodating to the opposite wing of the party than any of the previous leaders from Kinnock onward , but this was thrown in his face with the chicken coup. I feel that was where he needed to be more forthright and fight back against the vocal right wingers  , but decided to rise above the criticism & offered an olive branch to the likes of Smeeth by putting them back into the shadow cabinet.

 

I wouldn't have.

[Gnasher]

26 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

To be fair you predicted the Tories would be destroyed for years so...

Whoa Whoa Whoa tory kid. I'm one of the few on here who flagged up.that the brexit issue is not so focused on remain as this forum seemed to believe. The one nation tory party no longer exists  ask Major etc if you have doubts. Its destroyed.

 

Anyway I'm not going to clog up this thread with that issue, how did the remain party lib dems do?

[Gnasher]

28 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Outrageous. Populist attacks on the BBC is Labour's territory.

It would be outrageous if wasnt true.

[Kidder Bukowski]

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

If I  lived near there there would be some spicey suggestions painted on that road!

[Gnasher]

The big issues of the next five years.

 

 

 Brexit, and how it improvess or hinders our life.

 

The environment and what it does to our way of living and  the planet as a whole.

 

The economy.

 

The NHS and social care.

 

Labour should make hay on all the above issues.  The younger voters are on therir side.

 

The torys have run out of bogeyman to blame, now it's a walk the walk time, put up or shut up. The floor is theres and they will fuck it up. The youth of this country hold the key, 

[moof]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Outrageous. Populist attacks on the BBC is Labour's territory.

This must be some solid evidence of their impartiality. You know, if they’re criticised from opposing viewpoints and all. I’m very smart