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General Election 2019


Bjornebye
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16 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

If the Lib Dem’s and swinson really wanted a shot at cancelling Brexit then they should have sides with Labour. They will cosy up with the tories. Again. 

 

For the, I think, sixth time - Labour were invited to join the Lib Dem/Green/Plaid electoral alliance, and rejected it.

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56 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Some good points here from Craig Murray (his bold not mine, and I mean what's here in general) :

 

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/12/the-largest-vote-swings-in-british-general-election-history-censored-out-by-the-bbc-and-mainstream-media/

 

Must admit don't quite understand what points he is making here. That the media shouldn't be reporting results from a big poll because it was conducted days before it was published, and it would therefore influence the situation today, which is considerably different, based on his personal opinion it is different? That media are not reporting that the Tory vote has not changed? That people will secretly vote Tory because they (secretly) want to be on the "winning team"?

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10 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

For the, I think, sixth time - Labour were invited to join the Lib Dem/Green/Plaid electoral alliance, and rejected it.

We'll see after the election. Nothing focuses the mind more than having no choice at all.

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5 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Must admit don't quite understand what points he is making here. That the media shouldn't be reporting results from a big poll because it was conducted days before it was published, and it would therefore influence the situation today, which is considerably different, based on his personal opinion it is different? That media are not reporting that the Tory vote has not changed? That people will secretly vote Tory because they (secretly) want to be on the "winning team"?

Pretty straightforward on the fact that Northern / Midlands Leave constituencies are being bombarded by BBC reporters preying on any toothless thick Brexit cunt from central casting happy to say they are deserting Labour , but no analysis at all of more southerly regions where Tories are deserting to the Lib Dems and Labour.

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4 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Pretty straightforward on the fact that Northern / Midlands Leave constituencies are being bombarded by BBC reporters preying on any toothless thick Brexit cunt from central casting happy to say they are deserting Labour , but no analysis at all of more southerly regions where Tories are deserting to the Lib Dems and Labour.

And this is predominant in the BBC and other television election coverage? I only go on the Internet and watch the odd video, didn't have that impression from the media I get my news from.

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3 minutes ago, SasaS said:

And this is predominant in the BBC and other television election coverage? I only go on the Internet and watch the odd video, didn't have that impression from the media I get my news from.

Very rarely a day goes by without BBC national and local news doing a report from some leave constituency or other , all looking at it from ' Labour deserters ' angle. Other than the odd mention of a Raab / Duncan Smith type character in possible trouble in their constituency campaigns , very rarely any mention of potential Tory losses.

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40 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

For the, I think, sixth time - Labour were invited to join the Lib Dem/Green/Plaid electoral alliance, and rejected it.

Is that correct? I'm pretty sure I have heard Swinson on countless occasions saying she will have no alliance with the Labour Party and I am damn certain that all you have spouted on the matter is that in no way will the Lib-Dems side up with the Tories. 

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The most painful thing is the northern working class constituencies who can only benefit from a Labour government but have been brainwashed into thinking that Brexit will somehow make Britain white again, get rid of any terrorism, allow the country to set their own price points against the world and make us some sort of world superpower again. 

 

Or should I rephrase that. "It is a shame that we have so many thick twats allowed to vote" 

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12 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Is that correct? I'm pretty sure I have heard Swinson on countless occasions saying she will have no alliance with the Labour Party and I am damn certain that all you have spouted on the matter is that in no way will the Lib-Dems side up with the Tories. 

At the time they were calling the leader an antisemite and said Labour were the same as the Conservatives on Brexit. So unsure how they could hold those views and be open to Labour at the same time. Throw in they had just added former Tory MPs and former extremely disgruntled Labour MPs it doesn't sound like a very sincere proposal. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

In one of his other articles Craig Murray said he did a count. It was something like 57-1 including voxpops and audience members mainly BBC, some ITV and some Sky. 

57 interviews with  people switching from Labour to Tory and only 1 Tory voter saying he is not voting for them any more?

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12 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Is that correct? I'm pretty sure I have heard Swinson on countless occasions saying she will have no alliance with the Labour Party and I am damn certain that all you have spouted on the matter is that in no way will the Lib-Dems side up with the Tories. 

 

Of course it's correct. When Swinson is saying she won't put Corbyn into Downing Street, it's precisely because he wouldn't sign up to the anti-Brexit pact.

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Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Of course it's correct. When Swinson is saying she won't put Corbyn into Downing Street, it's precisely because he wouldn't sign up to the anti-Brexit pact.

Ok sorry but you are wrong. She has given plenty of other reasons. She has also refused to rule out cosying up with the tories. It is terrifying that yet again we are staring down the barrel of a Tory/Lib-Dem alliance. 

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15 minutes ago, SasaS said:

57 interviews with  people switching from Labour to Tory and only 1 Tory voter saying he is not voting for them any more?

I dont watch telly myself either just shout at the BBC online but this is what he wrote. 

 

Here is the zinger. I have been keeping a tally of vox pops and audience members declaring they are abandoning their allegiance on broadcast media.
I have tallied 57 vox pop/audience members saying they are deserting Labour, because of Brexit/Corbyn. I have tallied 1 – yes ONE – audience member (and zero vox pop) saying they are abandoning the Tories over Brexit/Johnson.

 

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/12/the-truth-about-this-election/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

 

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I've read none of this thread, so apologies if it's already been posted, but here's the WhatsApp I just got sent... 

 

"I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

 

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

 

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

 

And on the other hand..

Labour's Jeremy Corbyn invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.  
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

 

So it’s a tricky one really."

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5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Ok sorry but you are wrong. She has given plenty of other reasons. She has also refused to rule out cosying up with the tories. It is terrifying that yet again we are staring down the barrel of a Tory/Lib-Dem alliance. 

 

This is codswallop. She has ruled out supporting Johnson, just as she has ruled out supporting Corbyn. Yet you believe her when she says she won't support Corbyn, but not when she says she won't support Johnson. Baffling and illogical.

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2 minutes ago, rb14 said:

I've read none of this thread, so apologies if it's already been posted, but here's the WhatsApp I just got sent... 

 

"I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.

 

I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

 

On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

 

And on the other hand..

Labour's Jeremy Corbyn invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.  
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

 

So it’s a tricky one really."

Haha did he blame the Tunisian terror attack on 'austerity' ? I never knew that. What the fuck is a 'prevention of terrorism act'? 

 

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