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On 22/10/2019 at 18:07, Nelly-Torres said:

I haven't watched the video so I'm not sure if Carragher objected to wearing the t-shirt at the time. He's a gobby, brash character, so I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't have spoke up at the time, particularly if he and Gerrard had the level of influence at the club that was suggested. This makes me wonder if what he's saying now is genuine or whether he's just doing it to save face or because he's been told to to try and stir things a bit. 

 

But, on Suarez, there's the whole "he was our cunt" argument, but last seasons Barca semi final summed him up. He's a headcase. One who crosses the line at times. And a cheat. In hindsight, while our ignorance or acceptance of his unsavoury side isn't unique to Liverpool fans and unswerving backing of our players, Suarez made us look like mugs on several occasions and then took our adoration and spat it in our face at the first flash of Catalan gash. He can fuck off and probably isn't worthy of continued defence, in the here and now. 

 

The bit that doesn't sit right with me though is the angle of an apparent representative of Liverpool FC appearing to be a subservient, grovelling to an apparent representative of the Mancs. All in the same space of time when those cunts get away with thousands of their fans singing vile shite about dead people. Carragher is speaking as an individual, obviously. But, nobody with links to us should go bowing and scraping to that lot while they get away with vile shite, without any degree of media accountability. 

All the stuff about Suarez being a cunt may or may not be true - but it's not relevant to the one point being argued about: did he say anything racist to Evra?

 

All the evidence says he didn't and that's why nobody owes Evra an apology.  Carra's made a tit of himself and his reasoning for it ("he was one of our own" or words to that effect) just makes everyone, including Carra, sound complicit in racism. 

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On 22/10/2019 at 21:46, Bjornebye said:

Hahaha hang on do they know Gnasher over there?! 

 

Scenes 

"Disgraceful set of fans"

 

Yeah.  I'll take that from those obnoxious cunts.

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On 22/10/2019 at 23:36, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Fuck this and I'm not reading 10 pages of narrow minded shit to change my mind, it is now as it was then.

Suarez was guilty as charged, end of fucking story,

A fella from Uruguay calls a French fella 'Negrito/negredo/or whatever the fuck it was' on an English football field and then pinches his skin, just to make sure and then people want a fucking linguist to play fucking word games to prove that he was just calling him 'mate'? Because some Uruguayan colloquial term sounds a bit similar? 

Fuck off.

You tit heads can twist yourself round in hoops to justify it in any way you want, but Luis Suarez has shown time and time again that there are few levels that he won't stoop to  gain some advantage.

So Carragher has apologised for his part in the T shirt charade? Quite fucking right, it was massively misjudged as a club.

What Carragher is saying is quite correct.

All Suarez needed to say was "Look, yeah, I did use a colloquial racist term, all I was trying to do was rile up an opponent, I'm not a racist fella, I was just trying to upset him and put him off his game to gain an advantage" and then the whole sorry episode would've been to put to bed.

The whole thing was badly judged, that we went balls deep to show support in the most obvious way for a fella like Suarez who has shown himself to be not beyond the basest behaviour on a football field, was at best misguided. 

We took Suarez at his word, which quite frankly mean fuck all. He's a snarling street dog. He showed then and since that he can and will stoop to any level.

All this Carra is a shithouse and traitor is laughable.

We made fools of ourselves over this, and that was just magnified by Kenny's reaction when Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand in the following game.

When it was put to him, he said "Did he?" with a face that said..."wasn't expecting that, that wasn't the party line".

Is there really anyone, anywhere in the world who thinks that Suarez was using a colloquial term that sounds like 'black' to greet a black French fella on an English football field?

He's as guilty now as he was then. The ban was correct and Carra is right to say we made a fuck of it. 

Suarez is clearly shown pinching Evra's skin, just after making the comment.

I can understand why the club came out in support of the player at the time, it was an act of solidarity. But this is Luis Suarez. The finding was correct. And so is Carragher.

You really don't have any idea what happened on the pitch that day, do you?

 

Read the FA Panel's "reasons" report - it's their best efforts to paint Suarez as guilty, to justify them caling him guilty, and even they don't spout the tabloid shite you've done there.

 

It's best to keep your gob shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

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On 23/10/2019 at 14:42, moof said:

That is true. I was well pissed off we didn’t at the time, if I remember correctly 

I think the rumour at the time was that FSG were pressurised by Standard Chartered (the money-laundering, Ahmedinajhad-bunging, corrupt cunts) into throwing Suarez under the bus and expecting everyone to just move on and forget about it, because they didn't want to tarnish their reputation by association with us.

 

The fact is that the FA Panel's verdict could have been overturned on appeal by Lionel Hutz.

 

To recap - They called Suarez guilty on 7 counts. 

The first 5 counts were just Evra's word (which had changed several times in the telling) against that of Suarez.  No witnesses, no video, no audio - literally nothing in the way of corroborating evidence; just one man's unsubstantiated allegations.  (It's worth noting that the Panel's report says they wouldn't just take one person's word against another for an allegation this serious.) 

The sixth count was Suarez addressing Evra by the Spanish word negro (which, admittedly, sounds similar to racist words in English and French).   Both the Spanish language experts the panel brought in confirmed Suarez's claim that the word is neither insulting nor racist.  In the report, Evra accepts this.  

The seventh count refers to the two players bickering as they walked away from the referee.  Neither player claims that anything racist was said at this point and, of course, the cameras which were trained on the players never picked up any evidence of anything racist. Not that the FA Panel was going to be dissuaded by mere trifles like that.

 

(Incidentally, the FA Panel did look seriously into that nonsense about whether pinching someone's elbow is racist - as opposed to just fucking annoying - but even they couldn't keep a straight face trying to make any racism charges stick on that one.)

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* Walks into thread

 

* See's same arguments that he lost 3,000 posts to, a marriage and Xeres/Major Tom flashbacks

 

* walks back out of thread 

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2 hours ago, Kevin D said:

* Walks into thread

 

* See's same arguments that he lost 3,000 posts to, a marriage and Xeres/Major Tom flashbacks

 

* walks back out of thread 

 

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16 minutes ago, Herp McDerp said:

 

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Truly shocking that Kevin D, of all people, missed the opportunity for a Simpsons gif.

 

He'll be disappointed when he looks back on that.

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15 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The fact is that the FA Panel's verdict could have been overturned on appeal by Lionel Hutz.

 

It's not "could", it's "would"

Just a tiny bit from the panel’s report:

Anderson, Nani, Valencia and Hernandez all gave evidence of what Evra had told them in the dressing room after the game. None of them remembered exactly what Evra had said to them.

Suarez didn’t demand them to appear in front of the panel for cross examination (why should he, he was not in the ManU dressing room anyway and they were not witnesses to the incident). As a result the panel says: “Mr Suárez did not require any of these four players to attend the hearing for cross-examination and so Mr Suárez accepted their evidence in full.  We proceeded, therefore, on the basis that the evidence contained in those witness statements is true and sets out what did, in fact, happen immediately after the game.”

Later in the report the panel goes on to accept those statements as proof of what actually happened. You don’t have to be a lawyer to see that this is outrageous behavior from the panel.

Dirk Kuyt, on the other hand, gave as evidence that he had heard Evra say to the ref (when being booked): ”You only book me because I’m black!”. From the report: “Mr. Kuyt was "absolutely certain" that he heard  Mr Evra say that the referee was only booking him because he was black”. The ref, Mariner, couldn’t confirm hearing that, so the panel says:  “In light of this we reject Mr Kuyt's evidence that Mr Evra said that the referee was only booking him because he was black, however certain Mr Kuyt was that he heard it”.

So real evidence dismissed, second hand information of what Evra allegedly told them after the match, accepted as proof of what actually happened.

A lawyer’s dream this, if appealed.

Patrice Evra may be the cunt in this story,  but John Henry is the pussy.

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We treated the hearing as a sport disciplinary matter. In view of the serious nature of the charges we should have treated it as a trial and brought in a top QC specializing in criminal law.  The case against Suarez would have been ripped to shreds. 

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36 minutes ago, Grinch said:

It would have helped if Comolli, Kenny and Suarez got their stories straight. 

 

That was fucking inexplicable at the time. 

Basically, Suarez said "Porque, negro?" and Kenny and Comolli  (and Kuyt) don't speak Spanish so they just guessed at what they thought it meant.

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58 minutes ago, aws said:

We treated the hearing as a sport disciplinary matter. In view of the serious nature of the charges we should have treated it as a trial and brought in a top QC specializing in criminal law.  The case against Suarez would have been ripped to shreds. 

Didn't we send some woman who was completely out of their depth? Like the club lawyer? Natelie something

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The Mrs is a bottle and a half of Pinot deep and she’s talking less shite than most in here.

 

Evra is a prick, Luis is a bitey racist and neither are good people.

 

Stop, drop, forget and move on. No good comes of all the tawdry nonsense.

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19 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The Mrs is a bottle and a half of Pinot deep and she’s talking less shite than most in here.

 

Evra is a prick, Luis is a bitey racist and neither are good people.

 

Stop, drop, forget and move on. No good comes of all the tawdry nonsense.

Pics or GTFO 

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2 hours ago, Istvan Kosma said:

Didn't we send some woman who was completely out of their depth? Like the club lawyer? Natelie something

Can't remember but it was someone who had experience of sports law.  

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3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Basically, Suarez said "Porque, negro?" and Kenny and Comolli  (and Kuyt) don't speak Spanish so they just guessed at what they thought it meant.

 

Just guessed.... Did they bother speaking to the man at all? 

 

Bizarre when we made such a song and dance bout his innocence but apparently weren't even sure what he said. 

 

Our owners then hung him out to dry the minute he was banned, can't be having that sort of publicity on the brand now. 

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16 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The Mrs is a bottle and a half of Pinot deep and she’s talking less shite than most in here.

 

Evra is a prick, Luis is a bitey racist and neither are good people.

 

Stop, drop, forget and move on. No good comes of all the tawdry nonsense.

No,Evra and Suarez are cunts but Suarez does not deserve to be branded a racist at all. Bitey? Absolutely,but certainly not a racist based on the shambles that passed for a disciplinary hearing. He is also a pretty bad poster boy for White Supremacists given his heritage.

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5 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

No,Evra and Suarez are cunts but Suarez does not deserve to be branded a racist at all. Bitey? Absolutely,but certainly not a racist based on the shambles that passed for a disciplinary hearing. He is also a pretty bad poster boy for White Supremacists given his heritage.


You misread my tone, I literally could not care less.

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We sent Peter McCormick, a sports and commercial lawyer, Natalie Wignall, then club counsel, and Zoe Ward, club secretary.

 

As AWS said, we should have sent some heavy hitting QC’s versed in both sports and criminal law, who would have eviscerated Evra and made it very difficult for the PL to have done what they did.

 

A lesson I hope we learned with the false allegation against Bobby.

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11 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:


You misread my tone, I literally could not care less.

I think its grossly unfair anybody should be labelled a racist on that 'evidence.' Even a cunt like Suarez.

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1 hour ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I think its grossly unfair anybody should be labelled a racist on that 'evidence.' Even a cunt like Suarez.

I like to use the word "perverse" because the verdict runs counter to the findings of the investigation. 

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