Man Utd (A) 20/10/19 - Premier League

[Butch]

37 minutes ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

I don't care what anyone says, that felt like a win in the end and let me explain why.

 

We weren't really bad, we were fucking atrocious. If we would have lost that, most including me would have said we would have deserved it.

 

Atkinson, the fucking cheating cunt gave us fuck all, even blatant fouls against us. Might as well put a Man fucking Utd shirt on him.

 

And the best part was them fucking cunts thinking they were going to beat their bitterest rivals only for their dreams to be shattered.

 

So all in all....

 

They feel like it was a defeat cos we got the desicive goal, doesn't feel so bad for us. We were terrible and so was the ref. Klopp can be naive to these cunts and their shit tactics. Which in a way is to be admired as he's not interested in cheating. 

[jsjazz]

17 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

How most of you can be so arsed about refereeing when there isn't something egregious called or missed, I have no idea. And there was nothing egregious in that game. It's all 50/50 stuff. You could basically have a problem with every game if you nitpick every single decision. It must be exhausting. 

 

But it is true that the implementation of VAR is beyond comical at this point, although I think it's kind of irrelevant in this game. Pointing out issues with VAR and refereeing in general after that performance misses the point and Klopp's comments aren't going to be taken seriously/will look salty. 

But its not 50:50 when every 50:50 challenge is always given one way! The whole point of calling it 50:50 is you expect on average both teams will get about 50% of the decisions over the course of the game. Look at it again (if you can be bothered to watch that crock of shite again) and see how many 50:50 challenges were given our way. We got some blatant fouls given for us and a lot more clear fouls not given. They got pretty much every challenge given their way.

[J-V]

5 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

That VAR was correct. It's a contact sport and the foul on Origi was just a slight foul and not enough to make it an obvious error. Mane hand ball spot on (fair enough) finally we were on the right side of VAR. Smiling the whole time like a smug child who just got a B+ in an exam...i then stopped listening. 

Cheers

[Strontium]

There's nothing 50/50 about ploughing through the back of an opponent with your studs in his calf.

[3 Stacks]

9 minutes ago, jsjazz said:

But its not 50:50 when every 50:50 challenge is always given one way! The whole point of calling it 50:50 is you expect on average both teams will get about 50% of the decisions over the course of the game. Look at it again (if you can be bothered to watch that crock of shite again) and see how many 50:50 challenges were given our way. We got some blatant fouls given for us and a lot more clear fouls not given. They got pretty much every challenge given their way.

That's not the point. The Origi decision was 50/50. There's a little contact and an exaggerated fall. It didn't go our way. That's not egregious. It directly hit Mane's hand. That's fine to overturn that. The major decisions weren't obvious bad calls. 

 

And the fouls that went their way, if you watch most games, the side working harder to win challenges, that is physically on top and that is getting first to most balls, will get the decisions. And that's what United were doing. Plus, they were at home. None of that is unusual. 

 

Blaming the refereeing in that game is just a cop out. 

[Trumo]

On 05/10/2019 at 17:46, Trumo said:

Strength. Heart. Ingenuity. Timing. Hunger. Opportunism. Urgency. Style. Expertise. Attitude. Intelligence. Dominance. Sustainability.

 

I don't ask for much.

 

No matter what state that rabble are in, just put pedal to the metal and crush the fuckers in their own back yard. We've been miles better than them for over a year now. Show them exactly why that is.

 

I don't expect the team to play like one of these acronyms!

 

Dreadful performance but the never-say-die mentality of the players saw us snatch a draw near the end courtesy of an unlikely source. We never play well at their shithole because we always stop doing all the things that make us so good in the first place. As strong as our regular front 3 are, I don't think any of them have ever played well in this fixture. Salah missed this one with an ankle injury but he has also flattered to deceive on our previous visits.

 

It's all very well collecting points when not playing well like we have done a few times this season, but there comes a point where the 'not playing well' bit needs to be addressed. The disjointed nature of the performance following an international break is one thing, but looking so abject against VERY limited opposition is something else entirely. Klopp and his staff need to get to grips with it sharpish.

 

VAR is once again the talking point after this one, and once again the issue is with the users of the technology, not the technology itself. VAR officials never seem to want to overall the referee even when it is blatant, and the referees aren't even bothering with the pitchside monitors. As Shearer said on MOTD yesterday, why bother with them if they aren't going to be used? PGMOL are adamant that the man in the middle is always right, but they've proved for years that this is not the case. Now they are using the technology to double down on stupid!

[an tha]

That is a clear foul on Origi - for Atkinson to miss it or ignore it is bad enough, for VAR to then not step in and sort it out is just laughable.

[Jennings]

7 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

...

 

Blaming the refereeing in that game is just a cop out. 

 

Saying the ref is shit is not blaming him for the result.

[aRdja]

Just now, an tha said:

That is a clear foul on Origi - for Atkinson to miss it or ignore it is bad enough, for VAR to then not step in and sort it out is just laughable.

I honestly don’t think it was.

[No2]

Just now, 3 Stacks said:

That's not the point. The Origi decision was 50/50. It didn't go our way. That's not egregious. It directly hit Mane's hand. That's fine to overturn that. The major decisions weren't in any way egregious.

 

And the fouls that went their way, if you watch most games, the side working harder to win challenges, that is physically on top and that is getting first to most balls, will get the decisions. And that's what United were doing. Plus, they were at home. None of that is unusual. 

 

Blaming the refereeing in that game is just a cop out. 

Often people think the ref screws you on the big decisions but in reality they screw you by giving all the little things to the opposition. We got nothing today, they got everything and they even spent an extra 30 seconds looking for a reason to disallow our equaliser. 

 

At West Ham last year the ref fucked up for our goal and then proceeded to give them everything in the 2nd half. If the lino had done his job and rules out our we would have won that game.

[El Rojo]

The contact on Divock wasn’t huge.

 

We’d have a different interpretation if it roles had been reversed, but then on today’s evidence Atkinson would have blown for a free to them straight away. 

 

[an tha]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

I honestly don’t think it was.

Was for me - and you see them given loads in games.

 

Why do you think it wasn't by way?

[Trumo]

5 minutes ago, Jennings said:

 

Saying the ref is shit is not blaming him for the defeat.

 

What defeat?

[gkmacca]

1 hour ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

 

Our record before today. Last time we won there in the league was 2009.

Exactly, and yet dullard after dullard was predicting mega wins. We've not even looked likely to do that in other games.

[El Rojo]

Not one of Hendo’s finest hours today. Gini and Fabinho were good in patches. The three subs all made a positive impression. 

[Jennings]

Just now, Trumo said:

 

What defeat?

Whoops.

[Chocoholic]

5 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I honestly don’t think it was.

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

[Bjornebye]

Robbed yes. Wipe our mouths and get on with it. 

 

Small time to cry too hard. 

 

6 points clear and arguably our second hardest fixture of the season out of the way with a point. 

[KMD7]

9 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I honestly don’t think it was.

You're off your head. Of course it was. 

[Caramac]

 

 

[an tha]

No team, not even the greatest in history can win every week - of course with where the bar is now for winning the league due to the oil cheats any game not won sees some disappointment.

 

But if we are getting away from what is traditionally our worst away after not playing well with a draw then it isn't a bad result.

 

Worth noting that we have had a much tougher start than the oil cheats too....but hold a 6 pt lead.

 

By time we play them we'll have played all 5 of the rest of last seasons top 6.

 

They have played just Tottenham and that was at home...we'll be just the 2nd of the 5 they will have played.

 

 

[J-V]

5 minutes ago, an tha said:

By time we play them we'll have played all 5 of the rest of last seasons top 6.

 

They have played just Tottenham and that was at home...we'll be just the 2nd of the 5 they will have played.

 

 

They get more of a game from the so called lesser teams anyway.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Ah fuck it. It's done. Move on hope performances pick up a little. We've a league to try and win.

[dockers_strike]

Looks like that James is a snide cunt after all and Im pretty sure Giggs was spot on about him being 'clever' in the Wales game. But how come he was passed fit for this when Mo was ruled out for the next game last season when he was flattened by the Newcastle keeper? I thought this concussion rule wasnt down to individual clubs?

 

Both times he was in tough tackles he had a sneaky look around him before playing dead. And why did atkinsonstop the game when it wasnt a clear head injury when he stayed down? If they were that concerned after his 'concussion' from the Wales game, why was he allowed to stay on in this game?

 

Someone at the club needs to have a word with Matip. It may be ok to put the ball out against other oppos when we're winning but against these cunts, never.

 

Whoever is saying the fould on origi wasnt a foul, WTF? I might agree in another game it isnt a foul but in the context that the ref was giving them fouls for LESS, thenit clearly was a biased opinion of the ref and VAR not to give  one in this case.

[an tha]

The state of what the mancs have become.

 

Literally all they have to get up for now is playing us and watching their team have 30% of the ball versus us at home and trying to frustrate us/take a point off us.

 

They can't even get up for their own derby now as that is a can't win game now because it helps us and they are actively wanting city to win it.

 

Lovely isn't it.