Nike deal

[Tony Moanero]

2 minutes ago, an tha said:

Cheap ironed on badge i see on these nike kits.

 

The NB ones have been proper sewn on ones on at least last two.

 

That green looks blue on that picture above!

Looks more turquoise than green.

[an tha]

5 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

Looks more turquoise than green.

It looks turd.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, an tha said:

It looks turd.

Tony loves turd coloured.

[an tha]

2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Tony loves turd coloured.

The last word in that statement is the very definition of superfluous!

[No2]

1 hour ago, The Gaul said:

I don't even know what you're on about now. The minimum wage in this country is around 75 quid for an 8 hour day. That's just fact. We had an incident here just weeks ago where sewing machinists in Leicester were getting paid less than half of that. The cost of living is significantly higher here. So if someone is working on £70 per day in China, I would guess they're doing alright unless they live in Beijing or Shanghai.

 

However, we don't know where these workers are. We don't know how much they're earning. All you shared on the subject is a headline grabbing 70p per shirt. There is zero context around it to work out if it is good or bad. But if as suggested they could do 100 shirts a day (so on an 8 hour day that'd be about 12 shirts per hour which doesn't seem unreasonable assuming they're just stitching up ready made parts and we're not expecting them to hand embroider a liverbird), they would earn around £17.5k per year. The national average wage in China is £9k per year. So they would be earning 90% above the national average. The UK national average wage is £35k per year, so that £17.5k in China is the equivalent of earning £66k per year here. Amongst their Chinese compatriots, their standard of living would seem good. 

 

However, we don't know how much they get paid per day. We don't know where they live. We don't know their working conditions. We literally know nothing. So if you have an argument that we shouldn't import ANY products from countries with a low cost economy, let's have that discussion. However, we all use goods made in China every day. Our last shirt was made in Thailand where the national average wage is below that of China. We have goods made in these regions not because of their expertise, but because labour is cheap and worker rights is low. I believe this to be a bad thing, but is the very basis of our entire economy, not just LFC and Nike. 

 

I am 100% confident Nike get their kits made as cheaply as possible. I am equally confident other major manufacturers would and do behave the same. And those that don't would probably like to, but don't have the same scale to achieve the savings Nike, NB or Adidas can.

This is the thing, without context the numbers are meaningless. According to one article I read we sold 1.2m shirts in 2018/19, it's not much of a leap to assume that figure was closer to 1.4m last year with all the success. At those numbers they would have made £980,000 (1.4m x 0.70p), now a headline of "factory workers share in £1m Liverpool kit bonanza" doesn't read quite the same "as staff paid 0.70p for £70 shirt".

 

The truth will lie somewhere in the middle.

[Salou]

if you go with Nike/Adidas or any other large manufacturer likelihood is somewhere along the supply line there is some sort of abuse of workers in one way or another, just look at how Amazon treats its warehouse staff. This is just the nature of the capitalist society and its the deal with the devil that large corporations have struck to make the money they do. We don't have to like it but we've all accepted it by buying the goods and subscribing to it to make our lives what they are, could we do better, of course we could but there doesn't seem to be a willingness in society to do that. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

They shouldnt be able to get away with it. It shouldn't just be accepted, like Nike and Co are cheeky scamps but what you gonna do eh!  Its just not possible for the consumer to research every aspect of a companies supply lines but companies should be forced to adhere to a certain standard of acceptability. Exploitation shouldn't be accepted. I dont know for a fact if they are using exploited or forced labour but if they are they should be held responsible for it. 

[Leyton388]

They look utter shite and cheap. That away kit is truly horrendous and the home one has grown on me a little but the turquoise is completely unnecessary on the collar and sleeves. 

 

I saw some guy today with the away top on and although it would have been a blag one it looked exactly the same and looked hideous. 

 

I mean how hard is it to design a nice kit and who in their right mind eithwr at the club or Nike sat there, looked at that away top in the design phase and said "Yes thats the one"

 

 

[Bjornebye]

10 hours ago, Tony Moanero said:

That away kit is fucking horrendous. I know some will like it but its a massive no from me. 

[Tj hooker]

I could get on board with the home kit but that away kit is utter shite what's wrong with a white shirt and black shorts that's how an away Liverpool kit should be 

[Pidge]

Yep the home kit in white with red trim (or even the deeper green we've used before) would've been ideal for the aways (even with the weird collar).

[RedKnight]

Every year we have this. The away/third shirts usually sell really well because of the more mad designs, it's just how it is. Ideally we'd change shirts every 2-3 years but that's not how it is and you'll never get the away/third shirts consistently adhering to colour templates.

 

Win shit in it, that's how they become popular.

[Tony Moanero]

We haven’t had a really good away/third kit for more than thirty years.

[mattyq]

The green on the home kit is truly shit and the teal away kit is woeful

I like the badge and the black training top but Nike, fucking hell!

How can they get it so wrong?

The money better be good as the kits certainly aren't

[Scott_M]

It’s not that some of that Nike stuff is rank bad (away shirt apart - some of it is passable) it’s just that it’s fucking boring & bland.

 

Considering the effort they’ve made to sign us, they don’t seem to have made the same effort in the designs.

[Juniper]

[Scott_M]

Been advertised on the Nike website tonight, apparently.

 

I’m completely non-plussed by it.

[Leyton388]

£100

 

They can fuck right off. 

 

 

[an tha]

State of the back of that neck.

 

Just fuck the green trim off for red and it's ok...it looks fucking stupid with the green though.

[Lee909]

You'd think by now people would stop moaning about the kits being shit. They aren't designed to impress men in their mid 30s to 40s but teenagers and you'll see loads of them liking the designs. 

 

I haven't bought a shirt since 2007 when I was 24 and have no plans to ever buy one again. So as long as Nike are stumping up silly money I don't give a fuck. 

 

 

Any crying for Adidas can fuck off too, they acted the cunt and went public we were not worth investing in even though we were won of their best sellers. So fuck them aswell

[Tony Moanero]

2 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

£100

 

They can fuck right off. 

 

 

Nike sell two versions of footy shirts, authentic player version and replica. The above is the former.

[Tony Moanero]

5 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

You'd think by now people would stop moaning about the kits being shit. They aren't designed to impress men in their mid 30s to 40s but teenagers and you'll see loads of them liking the designs. 

 

I haven't bought a shirt since 2007 when I was 24 and have no plans to ever buy one again. So as long as Nike are stumping up silly money I don't give a fuck. 

 

 

Any crying for Adidas can fuck off too, they acted the cunt and went public we were not worth investing in even though we were won of their best sellers. So fuck them aswell

 

There’s nothing wrong with adults liking and wearing footy kits, in my opinion. Personally, I haven’t worn a Liverpool shirt since I was in my teens, but I do collect them. Haven’t bought any for a while, though.

[Tony Moanero]

13 minutes ago, an tha said:

 

Just fuck the green trim off for red and it's ok...it looks fucking stupid with the green though.

Or even yellow, like the 1985-87 shirt.

[an tha]

3 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

Or even yellow, like the 1985-87 shirt.

Yellow on it's own would look as jarring, but a thing yellow with red and white ala 85-87 would look boss yeah.

[John102]

I think thats nice myself. Wont be buying one,

 

Can we start announcing our signings now?