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Jeffery Epstein & Friends


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I have a question, not a leading one but genuine. What has Andrew done wrong? I thought she was 17 when he shagged her in London, wouldn't that mean she was above the UK's age of consent and therefore perfectly legal here?

 

I realise the age of consent is different in the US generally but the crime was committed elsewhere.

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2 minutes ago, A Red said:

I have a question, not a leading one but genuine. What has Andrew done wrong? I thought she was 17 when he shagged her in London, wouldn't that mean she was above the UK's age of consent and therefore perfectly legal here?

 

I realise the age of consent is different in the US generally but the crime was committed elsewhere.


It’s that they have been trafficked, groomed and abused, despite the age.

 

Prince Nonce has been caught shagging trafficked teenagers.

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3 minutes ago, A Red said:

I have a question, not a leading one but genuine. What has Andrew done wrong? I thought she was 17 when he shagged her in London, wouldn't that mean she was above the UK's age of consent and therefore perfectly legal here?

 

I realise the age of consent is different in the US generally but the crime was committed elsewhere.

Surely if he had knew he had done nothing wrong,he would have admitted it straight away?

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4 minutes ago, A Red said:

I have a question, not a leading one but genuine. What has Andrew done wrong? I thought she was 17 when he shagged her in London, wouldn't that mean she was above the UK's age of consent and therefore perfectly legal here?

 

I realise the age of consent is different in the US generally but the crime was committed elsewhere.

She was trafficked by a convicted nonce. 

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6 minutes ago, A Red said:

I have a question, not a leading one but genuine. What has Andrew done wrong? I thought she was 17 when he shagged her in London, wouldn't that mean she was above the UK's age of consent and therefore perfectly legal here?

 

I realise the age of consent is different in the US generally but the crime was committed elsewhere.

The allegations include London, New York and (wait for it) the Virgin Islands.

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She's alleging that he forced her to have sex. I assume it's based on tort (tort, not tart) law.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/what-we-know-about-virginia-giuffres-lawsuit-against-britains-prince-andrew-2022-01-04/

 

A civil case, decided on a balance of probabilities, and if he's found liable, he'll be ordered to pay damages.

 

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6 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

She's alleging that he forced her to have sex. I assume it based on tort (tort, not tart) law.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/what-we-know-about-virginia-giuffres-lawsuit-against-britains-prince-andrew-2022-01-04/

 

A civil case, decided on a balance of probabilities, and if he's found liable, he'll be ordered to pay damages.

 

If he is found guilty,cant it become a criminal case?

Sorry that link answers that.

Seems a bit nuts that though.

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10 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

If he is found guilty,cant it become a criminal case?

It could, but, off the top of my head, probably not. 

 

It would depend first on what the statutes of limitations in the various jurisdictions said about allowing charges to be laid. A quick look says 20 years in New York, so this case might be just outside the limit. Don't know about the VI or the UK.

 

Wrong, all wrong.

 

No SoL on forcible rape. So it could, theoretically, lead to criminal charges.

 

And SoL issues aside, you'd have to convince a prosecutor that there was enough evidence to press charges.

 

But I definitely stand to be corrected on all of the above. 

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1 hour ago, Arniepie said:

If he is found guilty,cant it become a criminal case?

Sorry that link answers that.

Seems a bit nuts that though.

Burdens of proof are different. Also what is being claimed in civil suit and what would have to be claimed in Criminal Case are different

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Virginia Giuffre: Prince Andrew demands jury trial in US

 
Lawyers for Prince Andrew have written to a US judge to demand a jury trial in a civil lawsuit brought by a woman who has accused him of sexual assault.

Virginia Giuffre, 38, alleges that he sexually assaulted her when she was a teenager at the homes of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

The Duke of York has consistently denied all the allegations against him.

In the court documents, his legal team submitted several reasons why they believe the case should be dismissed.

They argue that Ms Giuffre has no legal basis to bring the case since she is a permanent resident of Australia.

The lawyers also refer to a 2009 settlement agreement between Ms Giuffre and Jeffrey Epstein, a longtime associate of Prince Andrew.

Epstein, a convicted sex offender, killed himself in prison in 2019 while awaiting a sex trafficking trial. British socialite Maxwell was found guilty last month of grooming underage girls to be abused by him.

Ms Giuffre is suing the Queen's son for allegedly sexually assaulting her in London, New York and the Virgin Islands when she was a teenager.

She is seeking unspecified damages, but there is speculation the sum could be in the millions of dollars.

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