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[A Red]

I would have thought that if you think all land should be owned by the state and not to be bought and sold you are a communist. Dont think anyone on here has come out as one yet

 

As an aside, the Queen owns all the land in the UK you just buy the right to use it.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

If you look at where the phrase comes from, it's clearly associated with Marx.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_needs

 

I'm sure at some point in his life Marx might have said "Ooh, I do like a nice brew and a slice of cake".  I'm not sure that agreeing with the sentiment automatically makes you a Marxist.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, TK421 said:

 

It's... it's "Rrrrick". 

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

I would have thought that if you think all land should be owned by the state 

Who said that? I might have missed it but I don’t think anybody said that.

 

1 hour ago, A Red said:

As an aside, the Queen owns all the land in the UK you just buy the right to use it.

What the absolute fuck are you talking about, A Red? That’s just not right. 

[TheHowieLama]

4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Who said that? I might have missed it but I don’t think anybody said that.

 

Who else could own it? 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Who else could own it? 

Does land need to be owned? Surely some land (at least) can be kept as common land. The Government or some trust or something could have responsibility to manage and maintain it, without anyone claiming ownership. 

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Does land need to be owned? Surely some land (at least) can be kept as common land. The Government or some trust or something could have responsibility to manage and maintain it, without anyone claiming ownership. 

It always has been.

Sounds like the Government would own it if they are responsible for it. Could I pitch a tent and live for free?

 

I do not mind the concept but many centuries of human (and natural) history are not on your side.

[Jose Jones]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

It always has been.

Sounds like the Government would own it if they are responsible for it. Could I pitch a tent and live for free?

 

I do not mind the concept but many centuries of human (and natural) history are not on your side.

It's a mix isn't it?

Some land is public land, some is owned by historically rich fuckers like the Royal Family or Catholic Church, some is owned by corporations other bits and bobs are owned by individuals - or there's some convoluted leasehold arrangement type deal, which is sort of the same thing.

Doesn't the US have the largest amount of National Parks of any country?  Isn't that all publicly owned land?

[Strontium]

3 hours ago, A Red said:

I would have thought that if you think all land should be owned by the state and not to be bought and sold you are a communist. Dont think anyone on here has come out as one yet

 

As an aside, the Queen owns all the land in the UK you just buy the right to use it.

 

[TheHowieLama]

37 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

It's a mix isn't it?

Some land is public land, some is owned by historically rich fuckers like the Royal Family or Catholic Church, some is owned by corporations other bits and bobs are owned by individuals - or there's some convoluted leasehold arrangement type deal, which is sort of the same thing.

Doesn't the US have the largest amount of National Parks of any country?  Isn't that all publicly owned land?

Well, that public land is owned by the US Gov innit? Some National Park Service , some state agencies (Fish and Game etc)  and some the Feds. All of it would have restricted access. So while there may be various entities that are "public" there is no doubt about ownership.

 

None of it is not owned. 

[s(k)aturation]

7 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Like you, I'm not quite sure how anyone managed to be deemed even a centrist on this thing.

 

Agree.  Even a feeble centrist cunt like me ended making love to a tree.

 

 

[Jose Jones]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Well, that public land is owned by the US Gov innit? Some National Park Service , some state agencies (Fish and Game etc)  and some the Feds. All of it would have restricted access. So while there may be various entities that are "public" there is no doubt about ownership.

 

None of it is not owned. 

Ah, ok, got you.  Yes I doubt there is much "free land" knocking about anywhere.  There's always one arsehole who will muck it up and ruin it for everyone else, so there needs to be a few rules.

 

[Jairzinho]

4 hours ago, skaro said:

 

Agree.  Even a feeble centrist cunt like me ended making love to a tree.

 

 

I answered lots of stuff with "agree" rather than "firmly agree" (or whatever the adverb was). Partly because the questions were so open. So, I don't really know why I was plonked so far towards the bottom left corner. Anyway, most of the forum appears to be about there and most of the forum isn't Marxist. It's somewhere between Social Democrat and Democratic Socialist (which I am as well).

 

The set of questions, for example, had no way of determining if someone was an anarchist.

[s(k)aturation]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

The set of questions, for example, had no way of determining if someone was an anarchist.

 

Or an Antichrist.

[VladimirIlyich]

Should Lizzie Windsor be.

a)euthenised.

b)locked up in a mental hospital and ignored like other family members.

c) continue to have her arse licked by people with names like Peregrine and Marjorie

Do you;

strongly agree.

agree.

disagree

want to be locked in the tower of london until you pop your clogs.

[A Red]

9 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Who said that? I might have missed it but I don’t think anybody said that.

 

What the absolute fuck are you talking about, A Red? That’s just not right. 

I think I said it. 

 

Tis true, the Queen owns all the land, I think its also true of Australia and some other commonwealth countries, might be wrong but go check it out. Its different in the US if you buy a field, no-one can take it off you

[Numero Veinticinco]

7 minutes ago, A Red said:

I think I said it. 

 

Tis true, the Queen owns all the land, I think its also true of Australia and some other commonwealth countries, might be wrong but go check it out. Its different in the US if you buy a field, no-one can take it off you

Yeah, it's wrong. 

[A Red]

21 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yeah, it's wrong. 

Unless you are saying its wrong because its the state not effectively the Queen owns all the land, I am right. The state (which I called the Queen) can take any land off you e.g as happened in the 2nd World War, usually with a compulsory purchase at a fair price or any price for that matter. 

 

If you think you are a land owner, ultimately you are not, you are just on the land registry as the person that has the right to live on or use it.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

If it's true that the Queen owns all the land, what's the difference between the Crown Estate and everywhere else?

[Numero Veinticinco]

The idea that the Queen owns all the land on the UK is just... well, let's just say it requires evidence. 

[TheHowieLama]

@A RedThat just sounds like eminent domain - it exists here as well.

[Dougie Do'ins]

4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

The idea that the Queen owns all the land on the UK is just... well, let's just say it requires evidence. 

Maybe not in this day and age but if we were to go back far enough in time it might have been very different.

 

How much of it was sold off by the various royals down the generations ?

 

It might not have been done in the interest of the queen but there have been plenty examples in the last 40/50 years alone that prove if someone wants your land/property no matter how much you protest, your fucked.

 

Is it technically not all state owned ?

[VladimirIlyich]

26 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Maybe not in this day and age but if we were to go back far enough in time it might have been very different.

 

How much of it was sold off by the various royals down the generations ?

 

It might not have been done in the interest of the queen but there have been plenty examples in the last 40/50 years alone that prove if someone wants your land/property no matter how much you protest, your fucked.

 

Is it technically not all state owned ?

So does this mean state=monarchy?

[Dougie Do'ins]

49 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

So does this mean state=monarchy?

I honestly don't know but I don't think we own the land our houses are built on in the same way as we own for example a car or other personal possessions.

[A Red]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

The idea that the Queen owns all the land on the UK is just... well, let's just say it requires evidence. 

The problem with evidence is that the source is open to "who the fuck are they?" or "well they would say that" etc

 

Heres an example where you can say that

 

https://www.highlandtitles.com/blog/this-land-aint-your-land-part-1/