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I think this club world cup lark is shite, but the football league can fuck off if they think we should jump through hoops to field a 'competitive team' as they have reminded us about.

 

Flying players at incovenient times etc for us/disrupting training etc in Qatar we should stand up and say fuck off to...they've pretty much forced our hand in this, so our u21 team or whatever it will be is what they should get.

 

I saw this team suggested elsewhere:

 

Kelleher
Van Den Berg
Boyes
Hoever
Larouci
Kane
Chirivella
Clarkson
Christie-Davies
Stewart
Dixon-Bonner

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Jones , Williams and Elliott in the CWC squad so surely we must have some jiggery-pokery in mind like Barry suggested as Kelleher, Van Den Berg and Chirivella appear to be the only three left from the Arsenal line up.

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2 hours ago, sir roger said:

Jones , Williams and Elliott in the CWC squad so surely we must have some jiggery-pokery in mind like Barry suggested as Kelleher, Van Den Berg and Chirivella appear to be the only three left from the Arsenal line up.


The quote from today’s press conference doesn’t hint at anything of that ilk...

 

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“We go with a specific squad to Qatar and try our best there. And the other ones will play here.”

 

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17 hours ago, elvis said:

Probably already been said but it's a joke of a competition , much rather win the league cup than some fifa/uefa bullshit tin cup played in yet another country with shocking human rights record .

I bet the players would rather play in the World Club Cup against Flamengo in Qatar rather then some shit fest midweek game at Villa Park.

 

The league have soured their own cup competition here. 

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2 hours ago, johnsusername said:

I bet the players would rather play in the World Club Cup against Flamengo in Qatar rather then some shit fest midweek game at Villa Park.

 

The league have soured their own cup competition here. 

 

Exactly. Plus far more prestige in winning it than a cup nobody outside of the UK gives a fuck about. Plus like it or not it will bring in more money to the club not only from FIFA but new fans who will buy merchandise etc. As far as the hosts human rights record goes, we can only play where FIFA say we play. Plus in the current climate as far as unequal rights and the ever rising figures on poverty go Europe should not be casting too many stones. You can also add the sales of Arms, and indeed the narcotics which come from countries where people are treated like dogs to ensure the drug business flourishes. I don't hear much criticism on that front. In a perfect World we could set a stance on principal for others to follow, but it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. I don#t see many clubs lining up to tell the people who count that they refuse to play against City etc. 

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Well done to the club:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/10/liverpool-back-investigations-qatar-deaths-club-world-cup?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

Liverpool back calls for investigations into migrant worker deaths in Qatar

 ‘Bereaved families should receive the justice they deserve’
 Liverpool make statement before flying to Club World Cup

 

Liverpool have supported calls by human rights groups for thorough investigations into the deaths of migrant workers in Qatar, before the club flies to the Gulf country next week to play in Fifa’s Club World Cup.

The Liverpool chief executive, Peter Moore, has also sought assurances from the Qatar “supreme committee”, which is organising the tournament and the 2022 World Cup, about the progress of investigations into the deaths of two men who had been working on the construction of football stadiums.

Moore set out Liverpool’s position in a letter to Nicholas McGeehan and James Lynch, directors of the Fair/Square human rights organisation, who asked him in November to make a public statement of concern about workers’ rights and deaths in Qatar. They highlighted the risks of the intense heat and humidity for people employed on the vast construction projects in the Gulf, citing medical research published in July into deaths of Nepalese workers in Qatar, which concluded that “the increased cardiovascular mortality during hot periods most likely is due to severe heat stress”.

McGeehan and Lynch specifically highlighted the death in June of Rupchandra Rumba, 24, a Nepali who died in his lodgings during his period of employment as a scaffolder at the Education City stadium, which was originally designated for Liverpool to play their matches. Rumba’s Qatari death certificate, as is common in the country, attributed his death to a generalised “acute cardio-respiratory failure due to natural causes”, which McGeehan and Lynch described as “not a certifiable cause of death, meaning that Rumpchandra’s death remains unexplained”. McGeehan, formerly Gulf researcher at Human Rights Watch, and Lynch, previously a deputy director at Amnesty, have called for full investigations into the deaths in Qatar and the effects of heat. They cited the climate data and conclusions of medical experts, reported by the Guardian in October, that

hundreds of migrant workers are dying in Qatar every year due to heat stress.

Moore said in his reply that Liverpool had “sought background detail assurances” from the supreme committee about the status of the investigation into Rumba’s death and the progress of compensation for Rumba’s wife, Nirmala Pakrin, and their six-year-old son, Niraj. After Liverpool’s designated venue was moved to the Khalifa International stadium Moore said they had also discussed with the supreme committee the ongoing investigation headed by Sir Robert Akenhead into the death in January 2017 of the British construction worker Zac Cox, who fell from rigging at that stadium.

“Like any responsible organisation, we support your assertion that any and all unexplained deaths should be investigated thoroughly and that bereaved families should receive the justice they deserve,” Moore wrote in his reply to McGeehan and Lynch. “Furthermore we also believe that employees should be treated with fairness and respect, which is why we adhere to our own anti-slavery policy and why we are committed to paying the real living wage, among various measures of this kind. These are the standards that we set for ourselves and by which we would hope to be judged given they fall within our own remits and responsibilities.

“Nevertheless, we remain a sporting organisation and it is important that we are not drawn into global issues on the basis of where our involvement in various competitions dictates that our fixtures take place. So while we respect and understand the reasons why you have sought a public pronouncement from us, we hope you will respect and understand why we feel such a course of action would not be appropriate.

“Having already stated that while we do not visit any country with the objective of bringing about change, but any resultant positive changes would be welcomed, I would like to take the opportunity to reiterate that particular message.”

McGeehan told the Guardian that he welcomed Liverpool’s intervention: “In their detailed expression of support for investigations into worker deaths and compensation for families, Liverpool have demonstrated more clarity of thought than Fifa and all of their sponsors put together,” he said.

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I honestly couldn’t give a toss about winning this. Let’s use this as an opportunity to rest our best players. Start this team for both games:

 

Adrian

Hoever

Lovren

Gomez

Milner

Gini 1st game/ Hendo 2nd game

Keita

Shaqiri

Lallana

Ox

Origi

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I really want to win this. Was disappointed when we lost this to Flamengo in 81. Would like to overcome that by beating them this time round, assuming we both get to the final.

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Main thing is we avoid injuries.  You just know referees will be instructed to let the shit teams away with murder. 

 

They'll have to do something to even it up cause it's no competition at all. 

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4 minutes ago, aws said:

Let's win it.  I'm still pissed off that we were cheated in Japan. 

 

I'm still pissed off about the 0-3 to Flamengo in 1981.

 

Mind you, Bruce Grobbelaar was letting in goals for fun in those days, even against shite like Manchester City.

 

 

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Pro: A football trophy that’s not in our cabinet shouldn’t exist.

Against: This isn’t a tournament or a competition, it’s just a silly reward for last years’ achievements. I’m totally against this shit. And we should really stick up for the slaves building the stadium.

Conclusion: Pri 1: Boycott the thing. Pri 2: If we’re not going to boycott, let's go out and win it, and after that disregard it for the rest of the history of football

 

 

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28 minutes ago, JustTosh said:

Against: This isn’t a tournament or a competition, it’s just a silly reward for last years’ achievements. I’m totally against this shit. And we should really stick up for the slaves building the stadium.

Do you think the version of the Club World Cup we're going to have in 2021 with 24 teams counts as a legitimate competition? 

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Win this and the league and the season is a success whatever happens in the other competitions

 

And then petition UEFA to bring back the Cup-Winners Cup so we can get the set.

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