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On 31/12/2019 at 11:39, Numero Veinticinco said:

Also, what do people make of Kalvin Phillips? He looks like a player ripe for the picking prior to promotion. You can never really tell if they can make the step up but he seems to have the raw ability. 

 

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3 hours ago, No2 said:

Sadio and Robbo controlled him so easily the other night he had to switch side's after 10 minutes

I suppose it says something about him though that we had to put two men on him to contain him. Klopp marked him as their most dangerous player before the game.

 

https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2019/12/28/5e07b21d268e3e564e8b45fb.html

 

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“At Middlesbrough he was exceptional, but somebody had to give him the right information," Klopp told Sky Sports.

"A big, big talent. You would never have thought he is that young, but he is still very young, and now he has found it.

"It was always clear it would happen one day, and now it has. Good for Wolves!

"He is really dangerous. In a big space Jamie Vardy is difficult to defend, but I would say Traore is even more difficult to defend because his speed is exceptional."

 

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1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

@Jairzinho in case you missed this post.

As a marker of quality of a player, what do you think that proves? Quality, that is. Not quantity. 

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28 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

As a marker of quality of a player, what do you think that proves? Quality, that is. Not quantity. 

Just that he’s an excellent dribbler, something that he had questioned if my memory serves me right. 

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13 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Just that he’s an excellent dribbler, something that he had questioned if my memory serves me right. 

I still question it. I don't question that he makes a lot of dribbles. I question that quantity indicates quality and that the quantity of dribbles indicates effectiveness as a player and is an indicator of overall ability. I think it's not. Out of interest, do you think that he's a better dribbler than Messi? 

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1 hour ago, suzy said:

I’ve no idea how good Traore is but Jurgen have him an almighty hug at the end of our game!

Purple Jurgen wanted to feel his muscles.

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13 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I still question it. I don't question that he makes a lot of dribbles. I question that quantity indicates quality and that the quantity of dribbles indicates effectiveness as a player and is an indicator of overall ability. I think it's not. Out of interest, do you think that he's a better dribbler than Messi? 

I think the x-axis gives a better picture of the ‘quality’ on that graph. Football is a lot more than dribbling of course, so Traore is never going to come close to Messi as a footballer. However if dribble was an Olympic sport, they’d both make the podium, I’d say.

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12 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I think the x-axis gives a better picture of the ‘quality’ on that graph. Football is a lot more than dribbling of course, so Traore is never going to come close to Messi as a footballer. However if dribble was an Olympic sport, they’d both make the podium, I’d say.

What do you make of the end product considering he has dramatically more dribbles and successful dribbles than any other player? If you do 13 dribbles per game and 70% of them are successful, yet in 120+ top flight games you've got 5 goals, from those 1100 dribbles, doesn't it indicate both an issue with the quality of the dribble and the quality of the end product? 

 

Maybe, just maybe, he has had a bit of a purple patch - like so many dodgy players before - and it's not actually what he has done for the last 5 or 6 seasons. Maybe, as was true of Downing and Pennant with their 'way better than everyone else' stat that has been plucked out of nowhere out of context, it's just not that important when judging how good the player actually is. 

 

Here's what I think, if we bought him then he would be absolutely hated after 12 months because he would just run into dead ends and chose the wrong option time and time again. Now, maybe I'm wrong and the manager could turn him into a player who chooses the right options more often and makes better quality runs rather than just more of them, but I very much doubt it. 

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We are in a position of strength . Buy for future or next year Havertz Grealish Werner Sancho whatever we don't need to get involved in bidding wars. At this stage players should and will want to come to us no surprise the length of klopps contract out there stable successful club we are in the top five destinations in world football for players now possibly top three.

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1 hour ago, Doctor Troy said:

Real Madrid couldn't afford him. 

I could see it happening in the summer. He's been linked with them for a couple of years now and I'm sure Zidane has talked about him too. If he wasn't interested in going, I feel sure he'd have killed their interest by now. 

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As shit as it would be him leaving, you couldn’t argue it if he wanted to go.

 

If we maintain our league form he’ll have won the biggest trophy in our history and be remembered as one of our greatest, he’s scoring at 1 in 2 and has done 4 seasons which is about par nowadays.

 

I hope he fancies another couple of years here though as we’re currently at worst competing with Madrid like for like in Europe and he’s probably our 2nd most important player

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3 minutes ago, Elite said:

You don't sell your best players. Simple as that.

Whilst nothing would give me greater pleasure than watching Mane for the next 8 years and seeing him retire with us, he’ll be sold one day. Probably when he wants to go

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There’s no way we’re letting that front 3 all hit 30 at the same time with their value going off a cliff simultaneously. 
 

How Klopp balances that against wanting to keep your best players is definitely the focus of his comments about him breaking this team up rather than a new manager having to come straight in and do it.

 

Will all be about timing and shrewd replacements. That was the significance of this new deal wasn’t it, it’s taking him into building a second great team territory.

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I think Mane will go in the summer, particularly if we win the league. Can't see him going during this window though.

 

And in 2021, I think we'll have the same battle with Alisson.

 

Whatever happens though, we have Klopp at the helm. He'll find replacements.

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2 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I still question it. I don't question that he makes a lot of dribbles. I question that quantity indicates quality and that the quantity of dribbles indicates effectiveness as a player and is an indicator of overall ability. I think it's not. Out of interest, do you think that he's a better dribbler than Messi? 

In fairness several people on that twitter thread have called bullshit on the numbers

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6 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Why do/would they want to leave Liverpool?

The PED- and VAR-based cheating wears on you after a while...

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18 minutes ago, Jordy Brouwer said:

Why do/would they want to leave Liverpool?

To live somewhere new. They're not Scouse or even English. They probably didn't grow up dreaming of living in a cold, wet northern England city. They have the skill set to take them anywhere in the world, why wouldn't they? And all 3 of them earn about 200k per week, they'd probably get more elsewhere too. 

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