Jurgen Norbert Klopp

[an tha]

1 minute ago, VladimirIlyich said:

This is basically what I said earlier in the thread. Hugely disappointed but not surprised. I do think it's going to go down much worse in his homeland though,as is being reported.

Apologies - hadn't read back.

[VladimirIlyich]

Just now, an tha said:

Apologies - hadn't read back.

None needed. I was just restating my opinion that's all.

[Barrington Womble]

10 hours ago, BeefStroganoff said:

So he only needed 7 months off then? or was it the owners?

 

Or it could be mrs klopp casually mentioning all the vacancies she reads about in the papers. 

 

2 hours ago, rubble-rouser said:

Didn’t Houllier have a similar role?

Yeah, I think this is his old job. 

[manwiththestick]

5 hours ago, andyj said:

I get the feeling this has been lined up for a long time 

Yeah, possibly.

 

Ljinders going to Salzburg certainly adds fuel to the theory it's been in place for months.

 

Only thing to then manage is when to break the news. 

 

How about International break when Liverpool are top of the league with 9 wins out of 10 in all comps.

[Barrington Womble]

He's consistently said he'd work again. We got him about this length of time into a similar 12 month sabbatical. I don't think him taking an off pitch role or it being red bull is either surprising or something that needed handling with kid gloves. Klopp has always indicated he liked their sporting model. I know it doesn't go down well in Germany, but but it's not really relevant to us, our entire league is owned by cunt owners. Our ex-assistant manager is there. We have just sold a player there with a buy back. And our supposed great 6 hope is on loan there. We've bought from the group lots of times and the footballing ideologies are not dissimilar. It seems the perfect club level fit and role. Good luck to him I say. And sit back and wait for red bull to come and buy us. 

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

He's consistently said he'd work again. We got him about this length of time into a similar 12 month sabbatical. I don't think him taking an off pitch role or it being red bull is either surprising or something that needed handling with kid gloves. Klopp has always indicated he liked their sporting model. I know it doesn't go down well in Germany, but but it's not really relevant to us, our entire league is owned by cunt owners. Our ex-assistant manager is there. We have just sold a player there with a buy back. And our supposed great 6 hope is on loan there. We've bought from the group lots of times and the footballing ideologies are not dissimilar. It seems the perfect club level fit and role. Good luck to him I say. And sit back and wait for red bull to come and buy us. 

He's German that's where he has played and managed most of his career therefore his decision to take this job given how German fans want their football clubs to be run and owned is significant. The thread is 'Jurgen Klopp' and not 'Stupid Cunt English Fans Who Don't Give a Fuck About Their Clubs' though.

[stringvest]

Good luck to him.  

[VladimirIlyich]

12 minutes ago, stringvest said:

Good luck to him.  

I find it strange that Liverpool fans would say this given our supposed opposition to 'franchises' like these and how they affect the wider sport in general. A terrible move for him. Not financially of course.

[Barrington Womble]

24 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

He's German that's where he has played and managed most of his career therefore his decision to take this job given how German fans want their football clubs to be run and owned is significant. The thread is 'Jurgen Klopp' and not 'Stupid Cunt English Fans Who Don't Give a Fuck About Their Clubs' though.

 

German fans can want what they want..if klopp found it morally acceptable to come and make his living in this league, he's not going to think twice about working for red bull. I realise Leipzig are hated. The Germans will all get over it when klopp takes the Germany job next time it's available. 

[VladimirIlyich]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

German fans can want what they want..if klopp found it morally acceptable to come and make his living in this league, he's not going to think twice about working for red bull. I realise Leipzig are hated. The Germans will all get over it when klopp takes the Germany job next time it's available. 

They shouldn't have to 'get over it' as they should be being supported by other fans who care about the sport. The fact that they aren't shows what a load of shite it's already become.

[Barrington Womble]

20 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

They shouldn't have to 'get over it' as they should be being supported by other fans who care about the sport. The fact that they aren't shows what a load of shite it's already become.

 

We're talking about klopp taking a job - he's spent the last 9 years working for a PE/VC fund run by an ex-commodities futures trader. His best relationship at the club was supposedly with mike Gordon, who ran a hedgefund before joining FSG. He's hardly going to say no to red bull in that context. I'm not really sure why you think he would. Why do you think he wouldn't work for red bull after the job he's just had?

 

We all care about the sport and the Germans have it better than most of us and fair fucks for them fighting to keep their own clubs out of the hands of the types of owners we have. My reference to the them "getting over it" is football fans are fickle. If they hate on klopp now, they won't when he's sat in the German dugout. 

[stringvest]

1 hour ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I find it strange that Liverpool fans would say this given our supposed opposition to 'franchises' like these and how they affect the wider sport in general. A terrible move for him. Not financially of course.

 

I can't get wound up by this, because it's nothing to do with Liverpool.  I don't care much for RB, and I don't agree with franchises in football, but nothing to do with us.  He did well for us, and because of that I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do.  

 

[luxury_scruff]

Good luck to him. I love the man.

 

Liverpool and the other "Big Five" clubs of the day caused more damage to football, through the PL breakaway, than Red Bull ever will.

 

Liverpool, Everton, Man United, Arsenal and Spurs ended the top flight's membership of the Football League and set off a chain of events that has monetised the fuck out of football, including the changes to European football, and consolidated the vast majority of wealth, power and ownership in the hands of the planet's richest men.

Some fans of those clubs eventually went away and started FCUM, AFC Liverpool, Dial Square and COLFC.

Football is what it is. We get on with it in our way. But people who are professionals in the game work with whoever is offering them the job that best suits them. Be that with MK Dons, a top Premier League Club, or the Red Bull group.

 

It's none of our business. Its all about Arne Slot now.

[El Rojo]

12 minutes ago, stringvest said:

He did well for us, and because of that I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do.  

 

What if he was producing Jordan Henderson’s debut album, ‘Pointing The Way’? 

[stringvest]

4 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

What if he was producing Jordan Henderson’s debut album, ‘Pointing The Way’? 

 

he's just a dumb fuck.  

[stringvest]

This by Jonathan Liew in the Grauniad is where my head is on this.

 

Five minutes spent watching German television – where Klopp can be seen flogging everything from beer to Peloton bikes to investment schemes – will give you a pretty good idea of where he stands on capitalism. The idea that this millionaire in a tracksuit who spent nine years working for American financiers might be some kind of anti-corporate revolutionary was always based more in fantasy than truth. And to be fair to Klopp, the role of saviour or moral compass was never one he sought nor demanded for himself. Indeed he expressed as much in his first press conference as Liverpool manager. “If you want to portray me like Jesus but then the next day say ‘no, he can’t walk on water’, then we have a problem,” he said.

Perhaps the real issue here is the tendency of English football – and this does predominantly appear to be an Anglocentric phenomenon – to place its coaches on ridiculous moral pedestals, even accord them quasi-deific status, on the flimsiest of pretexts. Arsène Wenger and early Pep Guardiola certainly fall into this category. Marcelo Bielsa, despite his many protestations to the contrary, continues to be feted as a kind of gnomic public intellectual by people who have never actually met one. Even the moderately talented Ange Postecoglou seems to have attracted a significant cult following, lured in by his outsider status, his fortune-cookie wisdom, his immaculate good-bloke vibes.

Klopp, for his part, has spent too much time worshipping an actual god to entertain any notions of his own divinity. Perhaps he is guilty of underestimating a little the devotion he inspires, the extent to which people need him – for whatever reason – to represent something more. But he’s not that guy. Nobody is; nobody ever was. Klopp is not joining Red Bull to do the lord’s work. But he may, on some piecemeal level, have helped shake English football of its god delusion.

 

 

[George Costanza]

5 minutes ago, stringvest said:

This by Jonathan Liew in the Grauniad is where my head is on this.

 

Five minutes spent watching German television – where Klopp can be seen flogging everything from beer to Peloton bikes to investment schemes – will give you a pretty good idea of where he stands on capitalism. The idea that this millionaire in a tracksuit who spent nine years working for American financiers might be some kind of anti-corporate revolutionary was always based more in fantasy than truth. And to be fair to Klopp, the role of saviour or moral compass was never one he sought nor demanded for himself. Indeed he expressed as much in his first press conference as Liverpool manager. “If you want to portray me like Jesus but then the next day say ‘no, he can’t walk on water’, then we have a problem,” he said.

Perhaps the real issue here is the tendency of English football – and this does predominantly appear to be an Anglocentric phenomenon – to place its coaches on ridiculous moral pedestals, even accord them quasi-deific status, on the flimsiest of pretexts. Arsène Wenger and early Pep Guardiola certainly fall into this category. Marcelo Bielsa, despite his many protestations to the contrary, continues to be feted as a kind of gnomic public intellectual by people who have never actually met one. Even the moderately talented Ange Postecoglou seems to have attracted a significant cult following, lured in by his outsider status, his fortune-cookie wisdom, his immaculate good-bloke vibes.

Klopp, for his part, has spent too much time worshipping an actual god to entertain any notions of his own divinity. Perhaps he is guilty of underestimating a little the devotion he inspires, the extent to which people need him – for whatever reason – to represent something more. But he’s not that guy. Nobody is; nobody ever was. Klopp is not joining Red Bull to do the lord’s work. But he may, on some piecemeal level, have helped shake English football of its god delusion.

 

 

 

I think it does Klopp a little bit of a disservice. I think he has some quite strong political/social views but recognises the enviroment he is in.

 

I think its all a fuss about nothing though. It sounds like a ceremonial part time job until he gets another mangerial job.

[3 Stacks]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

German fans can want what they want..if klopp found it morally acceptable to come and make his living in this league, he's not going to think twice about working for red bull. I realise Leipzig are hated. The Germans will all get over it when klopp takes the Germany job next time it's available. 

This is a bit odd coming from you though, given your thoughts on FSG. I would assume that Liverpool being owned the way that clubs are owned in Germany would be your preference, correct me if I'm wrong. Red Bull basically totally disregarded that.

[3 Stacks]

By the way, all power to him. You can espouse good values, be a decent caring person and also love money. And he clearly loooooves money. But it will hurt his image in Germany, no doubt.

[Barrington Womble]

34 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

This is a bit odd coming from you though, given your thoughts on FSG. I would assume that Liverpool being owned the way that clubs are owned in Germany would be your preference, correct me if I'm wrong. Red Bull basically totally disregarded that.

 

I like what the Germans have, I thought I made that clear in a later post. But he's just worked for hedgefunders for 9 years.  He had no moral dilemma about that (and I'm not saying he should). I'm not sure why people think he would now. Is he supposed to have different morals in Germany to when he's here? 

 

Perhaps I didn't have klopp on the moral pedestal others have..he's clearly a great bloke, brilliant at his job, but clearly isn't some type of fella who hates the corporate world and wants no part of it. Actually as that Jonathan Liew article points out. He's been a walking billboard for Adidas for years. Once a year he refreshes his erdinger ads. And that was just here. For me, he's a fella going out to do a job in the way he can get the most out for himself (and that doesn't mean just economically, I'm also referring to job satisfaction and maybe in his new role, life balance). There's a job in front of him that seems challenging, interesting and will likely keep him out of the day to day strain of the public eye as much as the football. Is that not ok? And if some fans of German football want to be upset about that, that's on them, not klopp. Has he previously been a crusader against Leipzig and their ownership in Germany? Have I missed that? 

 

 

[Reckoner]

Mental gymnastics on display, surprise surprise!
 

[Moo]

3 minutes ago, Reckoner said:

Mental gymnastics on display, surprise surprise!
 

 

In what way? Jürgen Klopp was perfect for LFC but not a perfect human being. He's a really really great one though, and better than most, from what we've seen.

 

[VladimirIlyich]

7 hours ago, stringvest said:

 

I can't get wound up by this, because it's nothing to do with Liverpool.  I don't care much for RB, and I don't agree with franchises in football, but nothing to do with us.  He did well for us, and because of that I wish him well in whatever he chooses to do.  

 

Yet we have a whole thread devoted to him even now after his exit focusing on his current movements. I think it's rank hypocrisy from Klopp but nothing surprises me in football any more.

[Section_31]

As a fanbase we always think we own people. Henderson to Saudi, Bascombe to NOTW (not Barrett to the Times though that was okay). 

 

People have the right to earn a living however they choose as long as they're not importing vast quantities of Heroin and/or killing people.

 

Not our manager any more, not my business.

[Code]

8 hours ago, Moo said:

 

In what way? Jürgen Klopp was perfect for LFC but not a perfect human being. He's a really really great one though, and better than most, from what we've seen.

 

What is a perfect human being, and why is not Klopp one?