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When is Violence Justified?

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41 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

How would you define a fascist?

Ultranationalist far right with revolutionary ideas to protect and/or restore a certain race or nation at the expense of others, a hatred of democracy and diversity and liberty, happy to use violence or promote violent behaviour against their enemies

 

Those guys getting their asses kicked is awesome 

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4 minutes ago, moof said:

What asinine bollocks, though. Come on

 

I'd certainly take a "piss off" over a kicking.

 

 

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When someone takes 5 and a half hours to pick Tony fucking Kroos. 

 

If someone kicked my dog. 

 

If someone burglarised my house. 

 

Anyone who serves me any of the outer grid toasts from the toast grid thread. 

 

If someone turned into a zombie and wanted to do the same to me. 

 

Anyone who talks, chews or takes a breath between 7:15 and 8:15 am. 

 

Boxing. 

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 It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.
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50 minutes ago, moof said:

Ultranationalist far right with revolutionary ideas to protect and/or restore a certain race or nation at the expense of others, a hatred of democracy and diversity and liberty, happy to use violence or promote violent behaviour against their enemies

 

Those guys getting their asses kicked is awesome 

Thing is though, you are happy to use or promote violence against your enemies.

And I'm pretty sure those people would say that you are promoting women/gays/muslims at the expense of others (white men).  So, who gets to decide who gets kicked in?

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9 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Thing is though, you are happy to use or promote violence against your enemies.

And I'm pretty sure those people would say that you are promoting women/gays/muslims at the expense of others (white men).  So, who gets to decide who gets kicked in?

If certain sections of white male society is so terrified by the human race they deserve a kicking. 

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1 minute ago, skend04 said:

If certain sections of white male society is so terrified by the human race they deserve a kicking. 

Wouldn't that, rather ironically, prove their fear correct?

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So those guys protesting outside the school, saying that being gay is a (bad) choice, that women were put on earth for men’s pleasure.  Ok to punch them? 

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Every single person on here is either working class, true to their roots, full of common sense or hailing from Manchester. 

 

Surely we can agree that swilling someone with a cold drink is different to striking them with anything solid. 

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4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

So those guys protesting outside the school, saying that being gay is a (bad) choice, that women were put on earth for men’s pleasure. Ok to punch them? 

Aren't they?? Shiiiit!

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8 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

This question has been alluded to on other threads.  Rather than getting bogged down in specifics, anyone fancy mulling it over in more general terms?

 

I think violence is generally best avoided, but it can sometimes be appropriate, depending on context.  Off the top of my head, I'd say that the key questions of context are:-

1.  Are your aims morally defensible?

2.  Is violence the most effective way of achieving those aims?

3.  Are there likely to be any unintended negative consequences?

4.  Is the violence proportionate or excessive?

 

Anyone reckon we can discuss this without ending up outside KFC on County?

 

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Another  (probably) important point of context is the issue of any power imbalance. For example, when Secsh talks about twatting burglars, a lot of people would agree with that. But if a 5 year-old child somehow broke into his house and started helping herself to his stuff, most of us would probably feel a bit squeamish if he gave her a fucking good kicking.

 

The power imbalance thing gets really relevant when you think about issues of violence against women, state violence and violence by majorities against oppressed minorities - specifically, in respect of the degree to which the victims of violence fight back.

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8 hours ago, Boss said:

It's not appropriate to attack politicians in the street because you don't like their views, no. 

But a Milk Shake is fine. I hope it wasn't chocolate that was wasted though.

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Very worthy sentiments but that’s not how the world works.  If you normalise political violence it’ll happen more often and eventually your favourite politician will get swilled.  Then you’ll be annoyed 

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I don’t agree with it but you can’t help but laugh at this...

 

It was a quality £6 Five Guys shake as wel, not some McDonald’s or Yoop one. Wasting a Five Guys shake is serious commitment to the the cause. 

 

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