When is Violence Justified?

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

Agreed. He got punched in the head by someone holding an egg and the coverage was nowhere near as lively as this milkshake-gate.

Cow & Gate 

[VladimirIlyich]

4 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

The attack on Corbyn was far more violent than any of these milkshake shenanigans yet the media fallout has been worlds apart. Fucking right wing cunt cuntery.

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[A Red]

57 minutes ago, moof said:

Fine, take “terrible” out, if that makes you happy. What would you suggest? If pouring a milkshake on someone is an illegitimate act of political opposition to the pernicious evil of the far right, what do you suggest as a better tactic? 

I dunno, i'll say it again for you, whatever you want to do that is within the law and not violent. 

[Oh Buoy]

 

A violent act?

[moof]

Saw an interesting point that milkshakes are actually a deescalation of violence compared to what minority groups face at the hands of these people in terms of racist abuse, intimidation; on top of an ideology that essentially calls for certain groups to be wiped out

 

 

[Pidge]

Basically a custard pie.  No moral equivalence to shooting or punches thrown, as we've seen in the past.  Don't necessarily believe in it leading to escalation either, one act is vindictive and the other is essentially iconoclastic.  Bring a spare blazer and a towel.

 

There is an argument that it's suppressing the right of political activists to campaign, but in the broader context of these campaigns regularly and casually breaking funding rules, I'm not too bothered.

[Boss]

20 minutes ago, moof said:

Saw an interesting point that milkshakes are actually a deescalation of violence compared to what minority groups face at the hands of these people in terms of racist abuse, intimidation; on top of an ideology that essentially calls for certain groups to be wiped out

 

How is milkshaking a politician a de-escalation of violence? The politician wasn't the one being violent in the first place.

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

How is milkshaking a politician a de-escalation of violence? The politician wasn't the one being violent in the first place.

He is, as he well knows, saying things that are leading to violence.  And not the terror of having a drink thrown at your chest, but trivial stuff like Polish people having the shit kicked out of them.

[Pureblood]

Bugsy Malone splurge gun warfare next.  

[Boss]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

He is, as he well knows, saying things that are leading to violence.  And not the terror of having a drink thrown at your chest, but trivial stuff like Polish people having the shit kicked out of them.

 

What's he said specifically that incites violence?

[Pidge]

43 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Bugsy Malone splurge gun warfare next.  

They are very good at being bad.

[Scooby Dudek]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

They are very good at being bad.

They could've been anything they wanted to be.

[moof]

 

 

[Elite]

16 minutes ago, moof said:

 

 

That's a Friij too far 

[cloggypop]

16 minutes ago, moof said:

 

 

He's going to have recurring nightmares about that. Superb. 

[TheHowieLama]

I told you this would escalate.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

He'll be there till Sundae.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 hours ago, A Red said:

You said terrible violence, I just said violence, which it quite obviously is.

 

I would suggest anything that is within the law and doesnt include a violent act 

As I said, I've checked a few dictionary definitions of the word "violence" and none of them would include slopping a cold drink on someone. 

 

As for restricting your protests to anything that is within the law, thankfully Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mandela, the suffragettes, the founders of the trade union movement, etc. didn't take that approach. 

[A Red]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

As I said, I've checked a few dictionary definitions of the word "violence" and none of them would include slopping a cold drink on someone. 

 

As for restricting your protests to anything that is within the law, thankfully Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Mandela, the suffragettes, the founders of the trade union movement, etc. didn't take that approach. 

Try doing it to a policeman. Try doing it to me.

 

Righto, winning the argument with Farage over europe is comparable with the civil rights movement, apartheid, votes for women etc. Hes a twat, but really?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, A Red said:

Try doing it to a policeman. Try doing it to me.

 

Righto, winning the argument with Farage over europe is comparable with the civil rights movement, apartheid, votes for women etc. Hes a twat, but really?

Try doing it to a policeman - or a politician - and you will be charged with committing a non-violent crime.

 

Try doing it to you and (I assume from that post) you would respond violently. Fair enough; that's your call. But your violent response doesn't mean that the milkshake itself was violence. 

 

As for my reference to Mandela, etc. nobody mentioned Farridge. Moof asked how do you oppose the far-right; you said by sticking within the law. Bollocks to that. The law says, for example, that racist hate groups like the EDL or the DFLA have the right to march through our towns and cities and the police can't stop them until after they have assaulted or directly threatened people.  That's a law I'm happy to go against. It isn't the law that keeps Liverpool Fascist-free: it's the Scousers.

 

If unjust laws exist to support unjust power structures, we will never achieve progress by sticking within the law. 

[s(k)aturation]

 

Can a moderator please change the title of this thread to "When is milk-shaking justified?"

[cloggypop]

Things fascists hate :

 

Everything even slighty different to them and their dream of inherent superiority over all else

 

Things Antifa hate :

 

Fascists

[Boss]

Imagine thinking that attacking politicians you disagree with makes you similar to Martin Luther King. Wibble.

[moof]

 

 

 

[Strontium]

Is it okay to attack Nazis for being Nazis?