American Politics

[Red Phoenix]

They know this will happen. They don't care and will carry on rigging it.

 

Open Letter to the DNC: You Cheat, We Bust

[Jose Jones]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

From NY Times :

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/us/politics/iowa-caucuses-democrats.html

Correcting math = personal opinion.

Rigged.

Rigged.

Rigged.

And this is just Iowa. By the time this is done if you gathered together everything only an insane or completely dishonest person would deny it. You could say that's already the case if you just gathered together everything from Iowa.

It's rigged to protect the clowns in the Democratic Party, right wingers, crony capitalists, billionaires, corporations, military industrial complex from having a dem socialist president.

 

But yeah if you don't like Sanders or dem socialism then this is fine.

I thought Buttegieg (can't spell) was only polling like 7% nationally among the Dems, so seems a bit pointless rigging caucus vote numbers in his favour?

[Red Phoenix]

28 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

I thought Buttegieg (can't spell) was only polling like 7% nationally among the Dems, so seems a bit pointless rigging caucus vote numbers in his favour?

If he's seen as doing well enough or "winning" early states it'll give him momentum for later on. I think that's what the idea is. Biden has fucked it so they're supporting him anyway.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

And I know I need to chill out with this a bit. It's been annoying though and brings back bad memories of 2016. Didn't think they'd so openly be this bad after what they did last time.

 

And it's not easy being calm about it at times when the prospect of this going to shit is four more years of that cunt as president.

[Jose Jones]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

If he's seen as doing well enough or "winning" early states it'll give him momentum for later on. I think that's what the idea is. Biden has fucked it so they're supporting him anyway.

 

 

See I think this is a bit over the top - not you, the twitter dude.  Iowa is a tiny state, and one or two (rigged) cock ups in the number of delegates associated to each candidate is going to make very very very little difference.

So if the Iowa Democratic Party under the influence of the Democratic National Committee, under the influence of the gay mafia have gone to so much trouble to deliberately sabotage the reporting of caucus results, making themselves look absolute imbeciles in the process, just to give Major Pete a 0.002% more chance of beating Bernie to the nomination, well that just seems like a reach.

  

 

[Red Phoenix]

14 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

See I think this is a bit over the top - not you, the twitter dude.  Iowa is a tiny state, and one or two (rigged) cock ups in the number of delegates associated to each candidate is going to make very very very little difference.

So if the Iowa Democratic Party under the influence of the Democratic National Committee, under the influence of the gay mafia have gone to so much trouble to deliberately sabotage the reporting of caucus results, making themselves look absolute imbeciles in the process, just to give Major Pete a 0.002% more chance of beating Bernie to the nomination, well that just seems like a reach.

 

I'm not trying to make you believe it, if you think it's over the top that's fine.

 

Bernie could've announced the Iowa win on stage the night of the primary too if things had gone normally and he'd won, which would've got a lot of publicity and had a good effect on his campaign. There's quite a few that think that was also one of the reasons for them rigging it.

 

I'm not going to be budged on it though after seeing so much crap connected to it, same as many others who've seen the same or more. It's just a sad fact of reality in the so-called democracies of the UK and US that the socialist candidate has the odds stacked against them and also a load of cheating bullshit to deal with.

 

If enough at least split from Labour and the Dem Party in the US if this carries on we'd then at least be able to focus mostly on the media propaganda instead of having crap from within parties to deal with as well. It shouldn't have to happen and I think these parties should be abandoned if it doesn't stop.

 

Then of course the media would demonise the new parties. Fair enough, they do it to the others anyway if they're led by someone left wing enough.

[moof]

Nothing to see here, guv. Move along, move along

[Jose Jones]

10 minutes ago, moof said:

Nothing to see here, guv. Move along, move along

Looks like Pete is currently polling in 4th place at 8% in the Nevada primary.  She's going to have to go some to rig that one.

[Red Phoenix]

"Deficit reduction." He's starting to come across like a Tory now.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

Tulsi is cool.

 

 

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

...well that just seems like a reach.

 

Jose Jones, meet Red Phoenix.

[Jose Jones]

45 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

"Deficit reduction." He's starting to come across like a Tory now.

 

 

Well the Democratic party is probably traditionally close to the Conservative party in the UK in terms of monetary policy.  The US as a whole is a lot less government intervention.

 

Anyway, I reckon it's pretty damn stupid of people on the left to claim that if you talk about fiscal responsibility or deficit reduction it means you are a right winger who hates people.  It really depends how you do deficit reduction doesn't it? 

The left, if they wish to be clear of influence from international bankers and the like, should really be absolutely pro small deficit.  If you tax financial institutions and global behemoths, and cut down on defence spending, it reduces the budget deficit, for example.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

Tulsi is cool.

 

 

Tulsi is fucking ace. 

[Jose Jones]

35 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Tulsi is fucking ace. 

Is she still in it, or has she officially pulled out?

[Red Phoenix]

3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Jose Jones, meet Red Phoenix.

 

Jose Jones, meet one of the least likely people on here to ever be bothered about elections being rigged against socialists.

 

1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

Is she still in it, or has she officially pulled out?

 

She's still in it, I think the DNC have been shutting her out of debates though. Maybe because they like it rigged and she calls out their imperialism. And she met Assad instead of wanting to bomb the crap out of Syria like a psychopath.

 

The Syrians have taken most territory back now, some Dems won't like that. And neither will Stronts. Poor Al-Qaeda.

 

And no I don't condone the way that territory has been taken back either. If they'd done a whole lot less bombing and been more careful it would've probably saved a lot of lives. But you could say that about the US every time they drone countries I guess, but that's no issue to the media usually or many centrists and right wingers.

 

Don't be surprised of there's another "chemical weapons attack" if they go for Idlib soon, it could be their last propaganda run before Al-Qaeda are out of the country. I suppose Erdogan the mad extremist will stick around for a while yet though. He might even help Al-Qaeda carry out some more terrorist attacks.

[Red Phoenix]

Buttigieg told CBS News Radio on the sidelines of the South by Southwest Festival where he spoke over the weekend that he was "troubled" by former President Obama's decision to commute the 35-year prison sentence for Chelsea Manning days before he left office in 2017.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2020-candidate-pete-buttigieg-troubled-by-clemency-for-chelsea-manning/

 

Top chap.

[SasaS]

You made me feel four years younger, RP. Thank you.

[KMD7]

9 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Tulsi is fucking ace. 

I have genuine feelings of Love for her. And lust. 

[Scooby Dudek]

The importance of the Iowa result is the momentum it generates for the winner. 

Electable, popular etc. 

Pete has had a 9 percentage point increase in New Hampshire polling since "winning" Iowa. 

 

The democrats going back and recounting is irrelevant as the momentum is no longer available. 

 

Let us not forget the only reason we know the popular vote in Iowa is because it was brought in after apparent discrepancies in the 2016 caucus.

[Red Phoenix]

11 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

Well the Democratic party is probably traditionally close to the Conservative party in the UK in terms of monetary policy.  The US as a whole is a lot less government intervention.

 

Anyway, I reckon it's pretty damn stupid of people on the left to claim that if you talk about fiscal responsibility or deficit reduction it means you are a right winger who hates people.  It really depends how you do deficit reduction doesn't it? 

The left, if they wish to be clear of influence from international bankers and the like, should really be absolutely pro small deficit.  If you tax financial institutions and global behemoths, and cut down on defence spending, it reduces the budget deficit, for example.

 

Sorry I forgot this earlier on. I don't think deficit reduction is something bad done by hateful right wingers. Have linked the debt clock several times pointing out how bad the state of it is in the US, would be a hypocrite to then be against anyone reasonably suggesting it and doing it properly.

 

But I think it's obvious that Butthead will just use it in the most cynical way possible or not far off, and it'll be an excuse as to why he can't help so many people if he's president. We've heard the shite from Tories for so many years about "living within our means" while trillions get stashed away in tax havens by the global elites.

 

So the poorest get cuts and more cuts and many suffer and die, while the richest leech whatever else they can out of govs to try and increase their wealth. They know people are suffering and dying but they don't care, they want more. That's what we're up against. And "Mayor Pete" sure as hell won't change that much seeing as he's got dozens of billionaires propping his campaign up. He'll owe them plenty of favours if elected.

[TheHowieLama]

10 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

She's still in it, I think the DNC have been shutting her out of debates though.

She doesn't meet the polling criteria. Both Yang and Steyer have managed it so she has very little support.

Bloomberg also doesn't meet the criteria for this round.

[Red Phoenix]

2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

She doesn't meet the polling criteria. Both Yang and Steyer have managed it so she has very little support.

Bloomberg also doesn't meet the criteria for this round.

 

I can remember her complaining about it but not sure what the details of that were. I think in 2016 they made last minute changes that caused candidates problems, thought they'd maybe done it again.

 

Funny you mention Bloomberg though, they soon changed their rules for him even after saying that wouldn't happen earlier on. I guess if you're rich, centrist/right-wing enough and sending large enough amounts of cash to the corrupt rigging DNC they'll let you in.

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

 

[Captain Turdseye]

When do we get to the part where they bust open the paedo ring?

[moof]

Would be almost hilariously on brand for the DNC to rig the game to enable a republican oligarch to buy the nomination.