The Notre Dame

[SasaS]

10 hours ago, moof said:

Init. It’s a very pretty building but the outpouring of grief has been... a little much 

 

People do like grieving on social media.

[Redder Lurtz]

I get that it's pretty big news but the BBC1 lunchtime news has been on for 15 minutes now and they've not mentioned anything else.

[Fugitive]

Not arsed about a noncehive burning down.

[Bjornebye]

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

 

People do like grieving on social media.

It’s wiv da angles now 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

#jesuisquasimodo

[s(k)aturation]

35 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

#jesuisquasimodo

 

Jesus is not Quasimodo.

 

Is he?

 

[stringvest]

The building has massive historical and cultural significance.  It’s loss will be felt by millions.  It’s a bit churlish and churchist to bemoan people feeling a genuine sense of loss just because they don’t.

[Mendoza]

Fucking curse this lad

 

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

8 minutes ago, skaro said:

 

Jesus is not Quasimodo.

 

Is he?

 

Non!

[s(k)aturation]

7 minutes ago, stringvest said:

The building has massive historical and cultural significance.  It’s loss will be felt by millions.  It’s a bit churlish and churchist to bemoan people feeling a genuine sense of loss just because they don’t.

 

Nah, all that noncey 12th century masonry got what it deserved.

 

 

[Dougie Do'ins]

€600m already donated to the restoration fund. Total the French oil & gas company have given €100m. The cynic in me thinks it's a way of quelling the yellow vest protesters. 

[Champ]

3 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

€600m already donated to the restoration fund. Total the French oil & gas company have given €100m. The cynic in me thinks it's a way of quelling the yellow vest protesters. 

Torching it or the donations?

 

Was the place not insured?

[Dougie Do'ins]

1 minute ago, Champ said:

Torching it or the donations?

 

Was the place not insured?

Was Windsor Castle insured when we were expected to pay for that ?

 

I doubt a building of that age and with that much timber would have had full fire insurance. Wonder if they had acts of God cover.

[Champ]

Just now, Dougie Do'ins said:

Was Windsor Castle insured when we were expected to pay for that ?

 

I doubt a building of that age and with that much timber would have had full fire insurance. Wonder if they had acts of God cover.

I imagine the wealth of the Catholic Church puts the Windsors in the shade

[SasaS]

24 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

€600m already donated to the restoration fund. Total the French oil & gas company have given €100m. The cynic in me thinks it's a way of quelling the yellow vest protesters. 

 

Why, were they very pro-renovation of historic cathedrals? They seemed to be more into burning things down.

[ZonkoVille77]

The amount of cunts on twitter trying to pin this on Muslims. Pretty fucking appalling.

[Pureblood]

Twitter will destroy humanity in 280 characters or less.

[Dougie Do'ins]

23 minutes ago, Champ said:

I imagine the wealth of the Catholic Church puts the Windsors in the shade

Why should the difference in wealth between the two depend on who foots the bill for the respective buildings ? They were/are both privately owned. In fact, I'm didn't Lizzy and here people came up with a way of cleverly dumping some of her buildings onto the us via the National Trust but she and her clan get to have exclusive use of them ? 

 

Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how much the Catholic Church stumps up towards the cost of of repairs for this.

[Red Phoenix]

CIA innit. They're attacking the EU.

 

The media coverage to me is completely over the top, even now Guardian has 8 different stories in the top section along with one of them being a live one.

 

I do think it's sad though despite the media bullshit and people going so over the top. The way some of these churches have been built is amazing, and I'm not going to celebrate things like that being destroyed/close to destroyed. I lived near Beverley Minster not long back and even with something like that which is so much smaller it's the level of detail and wondering how much time and effort has gone into creating something like that, even if the bells used to drive me mad.

 

Have got to wonder about the double standards though, if an equally amazing Muslim building went up in flames I don't think they'd be too bothered. And planes crash in other parts of the world that get a small section at the top of the page at times, even when loads of people have died. Nothing like this is getting.

 

And then there's journos on twitter flagging up people suggesting it could've been arson to twitter's main accounts and so on, even though there's been several cases of vandalism that's hit churces recently. Gets to the point where I start wondering why they're doing it. Maybe it's partly a left vs right thing in some cases, but if we're going to start cleansing people from social media at the suggestion that a church might have been set on fire deliberately then I think that's quite a bit more of an issue than the church itself.

[Bobby Hundreds]

We are destroying our planet as a habitable place for people to live on but a building burns down and the wallets open, the world is in grief, thoughts a prayers with the people of France, the oil companies are philanthropists, billionaires are jizzing money they hate to pay in tax. I hope the planet earth fires a lava rocket from Yellowstone park and flattens the pyramids.

 

Let the church pay for it if they own it the nonce hiding covering up trillionaire land hoarding money for my roof bitches.

 

I'm not even that arsed to be moralizing let people do and act how they like. 

[moof]

2 hours ago, stringvest said:

The building has massive historical and cultural significance.  It’s loss will be felt by millions.  It’s a bit churlish and churchist to bemoan people feeling a genuine sense of loss just because they don’t.

Nah, it’s perspective. Feel sadness for the art that’s been damaged (the vast majority of which was saved, thankfully), and for the french people who feel a symbolic/cultural connection to such a stunning historical site that has stood for over 800 years as the “soul” of their capital. 

 

The roof and spire can be rebuilt, the rest of the building seems pretty much fine. Nobody was hurt. The people trying to turn it into global grief porn can fuck right off. People who visited france once, twelve years ago, crying it in, all performative mourning for social capital. And the media milking it for all it’s worth, while ignoring... well, any number of substantively more important things. As if we don’t have bigger problems to deal with. 

[moof]

1 hour ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Why should the difference in wealth between the two depend on who foots the bill for the respective buildings ? They were/are both privately owned. In fact, I'm didn't Lizzy and here people came up with a way of cleverly dumping some of her buildings onto the us via the National Trust but she and her clan get to have exclusive use of them ? 

 

Anyway, It'll be interesting to see how much the Catholic Church stumps up towards the cost of of repairs for this.

Think I saw it suggested somewhere that macron will seek international aid to help with the cost of rebuilding. 

[3 Stacks]

Great historical and cultural landmark and a shame it's been damaged, but to be honest it's maybe not even in the top 5 of nicest churches I saw when I travelled around southern/western Europe.

 

Also, see how I made this about me? That's what most of the sad people on social media are doing. It's really not that big a deal in reality.

[stringvest]

48 minutes ago, moof said:

Nah, it’s perspective. Feel sadness for the art that’s been damaged (the vast majority of which was saved, thankfully), and for the french people who feel a symbolic/cultural connection to such a stunning historical site that has stood for over 800 years as the “soul” of their capital. 

 

The roof and spire can be rebuilt, the rest of the building seems pretty much fine. Nobody was hurt. The people trying to turn it into global grief porn can fuck right off. People who visited france once, twelve years ago, crying it in, all performative mourning for social capital. And the media milking it for all it’s worth, while ignoring... well, any number of substantively more important things. As if we don’t have bigger problems to deal with. 

Smashing. 

[moof]

14 minutes ago, stringvest said:

Smashing. 

I know you were around when it was in the planning and development stage so I can understand why it might hit a little closer to home for you