Vowels Only Draft Idea - Rules and Discussion Thread

[Red House]

Which Alex is that? The centre-back or the attacking mid?

[The Golden Eel]

Might need a ruling on this one as he's commonly known as bellend but if it's OK, could someone add Paul Ince for me? 

[Guest Alex_K]

7 minutes ago, Red House said:

Which Alex is that? The centre-back or the attacking mid?

Centre back - of Chelsea, AC Milan & PSG fame.

 

Ince was a good player -- probably gets less dues than deserved due to the West Ham/Utd/Liverpool trio of clubs .. loved by none .. probably Inter most of all!

 

Will update and put in reference for Alex too.

[The Golden Eel]

4 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

Centre back - of Chelsea, AC Milan & PSG fame.

 

Ince was a good player -- probably gets less dues than deserved due to the West Ham/Utd/Liverpool trio of clubs .. loved by none .. probably Inter most of all!

 

Will update and put in reference for Alex too.

Definitely, he has no one fighting his corner and his reputation as a footballer suffers for it. 

[Megadrive Man]

2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Was looking at Thiago but unsure how it would go down as he has always been known as Thiago more so than Alcantare

Thiago doesn't count?

His full name is Thiago Alcantara do Nascimento, he is known as Thiago. 
 

[The Golden Eel]

19 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Thiago doesn't count?

His full name is Thiago Alcantara do Nascimento, he is known as Thiago. 
 

It's borderline but you do hear him referred to as "Thiago Alcantara"

[Megadrive Man]

On the Bayern Munich site they have him down as Thiago.

 

https://fcbayern.com/en/teams/professionals/thiago

 

I'd ruled him out on this basis, but if he has been accepted then it opens up a lot more players with similar ambiguous surnames so I don't mind. 

[3 Stacks]

If people have a problem with it, I'll take David Alaba instead. Ya'll can collectively decide. To me, Alcantara is his common surname, but it's fine if others want to eliminate him. 

[Megadrive Man]

I don't mind, as long as the same rule is applied consistently. 

[Guest Alex_K]

To be honest, individual opinions should be irrelevant -- if the draft-starter is the adjudicator of the game, all debatable choices should be sent that way for approval first. If theyre given the OK then, within reason, what's the problem.

[Megadrive Man]

The problem is, if you completely rule out a player based on the rules it's a bit unfair if somebody else picks them.

 

I would have picked Thiago ahead of Oxlade-Chamberlain but I didn't think he was eligible because we'd already agreed that it's the name they are known by so Thiago wouldn't count.

[Guest Alex_K]

Well - I think that's why it's best to just double check ideas. Personally my reaction to seeing him pop up was gutted id forgotten him as good midfielders are gold dust - it didn't occur to me re: the names as I have seen him referred to by Alcantara. But Thiago has been used before too so do understand the debate.

[TheHowieLama]

Type Thiago into Google - he comes up -- look at the first line of the entry

 

Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento (born 11 April 1991), known simply as Thiago

[TheHowieLama]

38 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

The draft-starter 

That fella has previous for this kind of thing

[Red House]

I guess logically if you accept Alisson Becker as Alisson, then Thiago Alcantara has to be regarded as Thiago. Or vice-versa. So, it should be either Alisson-Thiago or Becker-Alcantara. Can make a good case for either option, but tough to justify having it both ways.

 

But, as I've got fuck all chance of winning this one, can't say I give a shit either way.

[The Golden Eel]

1 minute ago, Red House said:

I guess logically if you accept Alisson Becker as Alisson, then Thiago Alcantara has to be regarded as Thiago. Or vice-versa. So, it should be either Alisson-Thiago or Becker-Alcantara. Can make a good case for either option, but tough to justify having it both ways.

 

But, as I've got fuck all chance of winning this one, can't say I give a shit either way.

I don't think that necessarily follows. Alisson is referred to as either "Alisson" or "Alisson Becker" whereas Thiago is referred to as either "Thiago" or "Thiago Alcantara" - so both are fair enough for different reasons. Likewise, if the draft was about players whose name begins with "B", Alisson would count and if it was players whose name begin with "T", Thiago would count, as both have different ways that their names are COMMONLY spoken. IMO anyway. 

[The Golden Eel]

Whereas if someone tried to pick say, Adriano, in a "players whose name begin with R" draft on the basis that his name is Adriano Leite Ribeiro, then it's clearly not allowed as literally no one would ever refer to him as that. 

[John102]

Every player has a common name and thats what we should go off, in this case Thiago. Otherwise you get this confusion.

 

Anyway Ardja hurry up.

[Megadrive Man]

Its a tough one with Brazillian, Spanish and Portuguese names!

[The Golden Eel]

4 minutes ago, John102 said:

Every player has a common name and thats what we should go off, in this case Thiago. Otherwise you get this confusion.

 

Anyway Ardja hurry up.

They don't though, that's the problem. Another example, Gilberto Silva - he's equally known as either "Gilberto" or "Gilberto Silva". There are a few of these anomalies... 

[John102]

Gilberto

[Megadrive Man]

Yeah like Ronaldinho or Ronaldiniho Gaucho. 

[John102]

Turning into a football hipsters thread this.

[The Golden Eel]

Just now, MegadriveMan said:

Yeah like Ronaldinho or Ronaldiniho Gaucho. 

I would say that one's not in common enough use to justify allowing it personally.

 

Type "Thiago" into Google - you get the name of his Wiki page as "Thiago Alcantara", then it says he's referred to simply as "Thiago". Transfermarkt calls him "Thiago", Whoscored calls him "Thiago Alcantara", different journalistic things refer to him as both, etc. 

[TheHowieLama]

Check the team sheets for international matches -- they usually stay the same.

 

He has always been Gilberto Silva - and he is Thiago