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8 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I would disagree -- I think he is probably playing the best he ever has and near the top of what he can do. That may not be enough to get into this side regularly.

Possibly but in any event I think we need a better attacking option off the bench

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1 minute ago, magicrat said:

Possibly but in any event I think we need a better attacking option off the bench

That what would make sense. 

We did earn the highest number of points through the bench in the league this last year though.

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I think that Ox providing he comes back from his injury showing the signs he did before the injury will play a big part in the midfield next season but we are still lacking creativity, we need someone that can unlock defences, City have been devastating in midfield with Silva, Silva and De Bruyne....

We are being linked with quite a few players, the one who’s impressed me this season has been Brandt and Kai Havertz, I think Havertz is going to be special, looks absolute quality.

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16 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

Players like De Ligt -- if he improves on or even just continues his performance levels at 19 -- become available on the market once in a generation. Struggling to think of a defender in the modern history of the game as hyped at that age as him. With Gomez constantly injured through one issue or another it makes a lot of sense if we are interested.

 

You can't lose a game of football if you never concede. A back 5 of Alisson-VVD-De Ligt-TAA-Robertson approaches '05 Milan levels of obscenity with Dida-Nesta-Stam-old Cafu-old Maldini (prime Maldini and prime Cafu clearly different story).

Agreed, I love Gomez but I can't see him ever being a rock.  If we get in De Ligt, we have the back 5 covered for years.  An incredible back 5 who can do everything.  This is a golden chance to secure a once in a generation player.

 

We should get in another world class forward.  These guys cant play every game, we need to mix it up.  I don't agree with just backup, get the best we can and make our current crop even better.  Look at Salah and Mane fighting for the golden boot - get another player in there - crank it up a notch.

 

I would also go for a central midfielder who is a constant goal threat, especially from distance, and knows his way around a free kick.

 

We have loads of filler to sell and a couple of squad players should be bought in or kids promoted.

 

 

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Think De Ligt makes sense. He will become one of the best defenders of his generation and could be with us for 10-12 years. 

 

Don't get me wrong I love Joey Gomez. He is a top young player but he will have a spell out next season I've no doubt. It's more inevitable than orcs in Burnley and Stoke voting for Brexit. We were just lucky that Virg never got injured this season and Joel Matip was terrific. Joe can cover right back if needs be. Knowing the Dutch, De Ligt can probably play in 2-3 positions. No harm having Alli, 6 top defenders in front of him and a really good number 2. I've heard it that Jurgen loves young Kelleher so we might not even be spending on a 2nd keeper. We could sell Lovren to fund a good reliable lb should robbo need the odd break or be injured for a spell.

 

Would love a bit more of competition in attack, whether it be a really good young player who plays like Bobby as he is so unique to our game. Divock deserves a good bit of game time next season, going on his recent displays.

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The great thing is that - Milner aside - we have no players who are impactful for the first 11 coming to the end of their shelf life. With Aguero, Silva, Fernandinho and Kompany, City cannot say the same

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If De Ligt is possible, why not? Gomez, if fit, will doubtless still get matches and if we can assemble a squad that has second-choice players good enough to give us a fighting chance of progressing deep in the domestic cups, even better.

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11 hours ago, Boss said:

 

Joe Gomez has missed 565 days through injury since he arrived.

and in all seriousness this is the problem.I have no issue with the ability of our non VvD Center halfs other than none can be relied on to consistently remain  free from injury or whatever the fuck Lovren has this week

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I just don't think the club will give up on Gomez. Does anyone realistically think Klopp would look at it and say: "what we need is to spend 70m on a 19 year old CB because our own really good homegrown 21 year old CB has gotten injured"? People can rationalize that De Ligt is worth it, but it's not happening.

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To follow up on that, what I would say is from a market value perspective I can see the argument. De Ligt is worth around 70m at only 19 years of age and he's already proven at a very high level. So you could say, if he keeps it up, 70m is a bargain because a few years down the line his value could double or triple and then all of a sudden you have another huge asset in your squad. But I just don't think the club would pull the trigger given what we already have.

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2 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Agree Fekir is leaving. I think it would be the right thing for him and Lyon to move on. It's run out its course.

 

But I don't know why we would go back in for him. We've said the reason we didn't buy him was medical. Now with 12 months left on his deal, we decide to buy him after all for the discount? Would we lie about that?

Did we say so or write it ? I have no evidence to back what I write but the whole saga ( change of agent, no rumors, the weird end of négociation after the photos, the way Fekir has been, the fact that there were not that much fuss from Lyon) seems to tell us it may not be over , provided the  price is cut down.  Just a personnal feeling.

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The rumour was that Fekir's old injury needed corrective surgery. With no World cup this summer we could sign him for a lower fee than last year, do the surgery and have him fit for the start of next season.

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20 minutes ago, Arnaud said:

Did we say so or write it ? I have no evidence to back what I write but the whole saga ( change of agent, no rumors, the weird end of négociation after the photos, the way Fekir has been, the fact that there were not that much fuss from Lyon) seems to tell us it may not be over , provided the  price is cut down.  Just a personnal feeling.

How good a signing do you think he would be now mate, hypothetically speaking?

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16 minutes ago, Remmie said:

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16 minutes ago, Remmie said:

The rumour was that Fekir's old injury needed corrective surgery. With no World cup this summer we could sign him for a lower fee than last year, do the surgery and have him fit for the start of next season.

The report in French media, especially in L’Equipe, was different. They were adamant there was a last try from Liverpool to cut down the fee. According to them, it was a matter of price , not of health.

 

Conflicting views and media bullshit, so who knows the truth....

 

 

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5 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

Wouldn’t go anywhere near Zaha personally. He’ll be 27 next season, has never scored more than ten goals in a season, would cost an absolute fortune and doesn’t work anywhere near hard enough for a Klopp team.

 

Zaha wouldn't be top of my list - if we were in for an Ivorian forward, I'd have Pépé over Zaha - but his stats over the last two seasons (19 goals in 63 appearances) aren't that different from Sadio Mané's in the two seasons before we signed him (21 in 67). Mané is 6 months older.

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Lyon fans on Fekir

 

Invisible, once again .....!

 

His level this season is very disturbing, yes. He is in the light of his best form. Fatigue post world cup? Rotten preparation? Investment not at the level? Morale half mast (liverpool)? liguain lassitude? Surely a mixture of all this. 
 

I find it difficult to appreciate this player. I find him real cold blood, precision, a high quality of ball conservation and technique, vice also. If he could keep that by taking distance from the game, to better organize it and use the flaws of the opponents, if he could put this technique above all in the service of the game of the whole team (and not in Above all in his current way of playing, always in the feet, so little deviation etc ...), bug but it would be a sick thing. Like a beautiful plastic, which would not release much.

He has no captain behavior ... 
Very disappointed again, for sale this summer!
 
Especially that ... If Liverpool did not want it is not for nothing ... He knows himself burned physically to reach a top 10 club. So if he does not negotiate a big salary in Lyon he will never have ... (Big salary of top global player) that said I would be him I would be very small because it is not with his title of world champion (which he to participate as much as Thauvin) and his aborted trantrans to Liverpool that he is in a strong position ... This guy will end up in a club like Sevilla that's all he won. No evolution in itself.
 
Last summer was the right moment, now we realize it. Missed opportunity, but it MUST be for this summer. No other solution.
 
I was disappointed when his transfer to Liverpool was not done, now I know why. 
He is a talented player, there is no doubt. But he's really not a captain. And above all he made the team prisoner of a device where it was imperative that it be put in the best conditions. 
His departure will certainly do more good than harm to the OL.
 
I hope he will go very far.
 
Essential !!!! To get rid of it!
 

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28 minutes ago, Arnaud said:

 

The report in French media, especially in L’Equipe, was different. They were adamant there was a last try from Liverpool to cut down the fee. According to them, it was a matter of price , not of health.

 

Conflicting views and media bullshit, so who knows the truth....

 

 

Could it have been a matter of price given the state of his knee? Like, a transfer for the amount of money originally agreed wasn't worth the risk after we saw the way the knee surgeries had been done. But for half the price, it would have been a gamble worth taking.

 

That's the way I read it anyway.

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28 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Zaha wouldn't be top of my list - if we were in for an Ivorian forward, I'd have Pépé over Zaha - but his stats over the last two seasons (19 goals in 63 appearances) aren't that different from Sadio Mané's in the two seasons before we signed him (21 in 67). Mané is 6 months older.

I've said this loads of times before but Zaha is a player I would definitely have here - he'd do really well, I have no doubt about it, but the amount it would take to sign him wouldn't be worth it, as we could probably get someone of similar ability for much less. You'd have to be looking at £60 million minimum I reckon, which just doesn't make sense for us, I don't think, for someone who doesn't get guaranteed a game every week. 

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31 minutes ago, Boss said:

Lyon fans on Fekir

 

Invisible, once again .....!

 

His level this season is very disturbing, yes. He is in the light of his best form. Fatigue post world cup? Rotten preparation? Investment not at the level? Morale half mast (liverpool)? liguain lassitude? Surely a mixture of all this. 
 

I find it difficult to appreciate this player. I find him real cold blood, precision, a high quality of ball conservation and technique, vice also. If he could keep that by taking distance from the game, to better organize it and use the flaws of the opponents, if he could put this technique above all in the service of the game of the whole team (and not in Above all in his current way of playing, always in the feet, so little deviation etc ...), bug but it would be a sick thing. Like a beautiful plastic, which would not release much.

He has no captain behavior ... 
Very disappointed again, for sale this summer!
 
Especially that ... If Liverpool did not want it is not for nothing ... He knows himself burned physically to reach a top 10 club. So if he does not negotiate a big salary in Lyon he will never have ... (Big salary of top global player) that said I would be him I would be very small because it is not with his title of world champion (which he to participate as much as Thauvin) and his aborted trantrans to Liverpool that he is in a strong position ... This guy will end up in a club like Sevilla that's all he won. No evolution in itself.
 
Last summer was the right moment, now we realize it. Missed opportunity, but it MUST be for this summer. No other solution.
 
I was disappointed when his transfer to Liverpool was not done, now I know why. 
He is a talented player, there is no doubt. But he's really not a captain. And above all he made the team prisoner of a device where it was imperative that it be put in the best conditions. 
His departure will certainly do more good than harm to the OL.
 
I hope he will go very far.
 
Essential !!!! To get rid of it!
 

I've said this many times, but this was a season too far for him at Lyon and his failed move was always going to affect his form.

 

Lyon were generally an underperforming mess this season with a coach that was often out of his depth and this has annoyed loads of their fans. There aren't many players in that squad they like anymore. I personally don't think his attitude can be faulted. He could've been better this season, but that's not the reason why you'd have doubts over us signing him.

 

I've watched him loads over the last few years, and if you wanted an argument against signing him, it's that he's lost a step physically. He's still a talented player, but he's not who he used to be, especially in terms of acceleration and demarking himself from defenders.

 

I think he'd be a smart alternative to Firmino and he can play in that role, but it's a really tough call. I personally flip-flop on whether I'd want him at Liverpool really often.

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Zaha wouldn't be top of my list - if we were in for an Ivorian forward, I'd have Pépé over Zaha - but his stats over the last two seasons (19 goals in 63 appearances) aren't that different from Sadio Mané's in the two seasons before we signed him (21 in 67). Mané is 6 months older.

 

Mane was 22-24 years old when he was posting those stats. He was 24 when we signed him, Zaha will be almost 27. He’d also just scored 15 goals in all comps for Southampton the season before we signed him, like I say Zaha has never scored

more than ten in a season. 

 

I don’t see any value at all in signing Zaha. Better players available cheaper on the continent.

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The main reason I would like for us to sign Zaha is so that we wouldn’t have to play against him next season. There aren’t many players who terrify me more in the league. 

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19 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

The main reason I would like for us to sign Zaha is so that we wouldn’t have to play against him next season. There aren’t many players who terrify me more in the league. 

 

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I mean seriously, terrified of Zaha.....

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