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2 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

I see Leicester are quoting both manc clubs 90 million for Maguire. Fucking hell, 90 million for that!! Meanwhile Spurs are apparently after Ake for 40 million. Ake is way better than Maguire. 

Ake is worth looking at IMO.

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2 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Ake is worth looking at IMO.

He favours the same side of central defence as VVD. He's also versatile though, Play left side in a back three, left back and I believe Bournemouth were playing him in midfield in their last few games. A bit rough around the edges but definitely a good player who will improve, especially with a better manager and squad around him. 

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13 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

Pepe could easily be a centre forward. If we had a front 4 of Firmino, Mane, Salah and Pepe, you could play any of those players up top. The fluidity would be so difficult to stop. Or we could finally rotate one of the front 3 without losing quality or changing our style. 

This. A million times this.

 

Why are people so hung up on making formations that have to include all of our big-money players? Sure, you don't want a £60m signing as third-choice in their position, but having 4 versatile players for 3 positions is a GOOD thing.

 

Klopp could keep the rhythm of the last few seasons going at first with Mane - Firmino - Salah and Pepe coming off the bench. Then once Pepe is up to speed he could use him to give Mane a rest and play Pepe - Firmino - Salah. Or if Bobby picked up an injury we're ready to go without dropping off a level, just play Mane - Salah - Pepe.

 

You get the idea. There is no way we're going to get as lucky as we did last season again and go through the whole year without a single lengthy injury to any of the front 3. All four of those players are capable of playing at least 2 positions up front and that means that they will all get over 2500 minutes in the league if fit. Probably over 3000 minutes each.

 

Brewster and Shaqiri are fine, but they are fine in the sense that you want them playing cups, used here and there to rotate the main players in and out of the lineup, that sort of thing. Not fine as in "if Bobby or Mo gets injured we can go 3 months with Brewster as our starting striker and still hope to win the league" fine. Pepe is a level above that, or at least we hope.

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I don't get the attraction with Ake at all. He's the leader of Bournemouth's defence, they are one of the poorest defensive teams in the county and he's normally at the scene of the crime when it goes wrong. He has the odd game where he wins his one on one battles, but that's the exception for me and I think he's not even close to ordinary. I'm not against us getting another centre back because I think 3 of our 4 are crocks and one of them also doubles as full back cover. But for me if they're all fit, Ake would come in behind every one of them. 

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He's quite clearly a decent player mate, the fact Bournemouth have an attack minded M/F leaves their defence wide open at times and their M/F players aren't intelligent/wise enough to get back. Plus the rest of Bournemouth's defence is pretty average. Not saying we should buy him mind, I just think 40 million for him is more value than teams being quoted 90 million for Maguire. 

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30 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

If we bought both de Ligt and Ake we'd have three Dutch central defenders. 

Albert Einstein over here. Bet you didn’t even use a calculator.

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4 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

Albert Einstein over here. Bet you didn’t even use a calculator.

 

I used half of my fingers on my right hand. 

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It'd be four if we signed another one as well.

 

I seriously hope United's yoof/brexit means brexit transfer policy has them signing Maguire for £90m. Imagine Phil Jones and Maguire lining up together. Another £60m on the young Lallana at Leicester and if De Gea sees sense they can replace hin with Little Picky.

 

There's a few decent young brits around to be fair but the time to sign them is about 5 years before their break out season.

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I'm not keen on the idea of Pepe, perhaps irrationally I don't want us making signings directly from the French league.  But mostly because I think we'd be better off with someone a bit younger who won't expect to start every important match.  It's all well and good saying we could rotate more but top players in their prime will soon get restless if they're missing out.  There's no vacancy in the forward positions for someone "first choice" and I certainly wouldn't be changing the formation if it meant Firmino playing deeper, he's not suited to that role and the midfield would be weakened. 

I think we should be looking at the very best 20-22 year olds who would be happy to work towards becoming first choice at the appropriate time. 

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15 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

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That team is way too offensive...

 

We played that exact formation at least seven times in the league this season, with Shaqiri starting in place of where Pepe is and various combinations of two centre mids. 

 

So, if Shaqiri can start seven games alongside Mané, Firmino and Salah then I don’t see any reason why Pepe can’t. Pretty clear Klopp doesn’t completely trust Shaqiri as well or we likely would have seen that formation more. 

 

We actually got some really good results using that formation; Arsenal 5-1, Newcastle 4-0,  Watford 3-0, all games where all four started.

 

If Pepe signs I expect to see plenty of games where all four start and Firmino drops deeper.

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11 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

We played that exact formation at least seven times in the league this season, with Shaqiri starting in place of where Pepe is and various combinations of two centre mids. 

 

So, if Shaqiri can start seven games alongside Mané, Firmino and Salah then I don’t see any reason why Pepe can’t. Pretty clear Klopp doesn’t completely trust Shaqiri as well or we likely would have seen that formation more. 

 

We actually got some really good results using that formation; Arsenal 5-1, Newcastle 4-0,  Watford 3-0, all games where all four started.

 

If Pepe signs I expect to see plenty of games where all four start and Firmino drops deeper.

But don't you think Shaqiri is a bit of a journeyman who we wouldn't have signed if not for the bargain fee?  I think a 24 year old costing £60-80m will expect to play most if not all the big matches and I can't imagine playing 4 forwards against the very best teams. 

You could argue his age and potential presents a similar situation to that of Keita, the difference being there is an obvious vacancy in midfield for someone to really cement their place in the team. The current front 3 have their positions sewn up. 

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I like Ake, but the more I see of him the more I think he's got a bit of the Lovren about him - great athlete, but likes to be on the front foot and therefore prone to some rash decisions. Gomez and Matip suit being next to VVD more.

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3 minutes ago, Moo said:

But don't you think Shaqiri is a bit of a journeyman who we wouldn't have signed if not for the bargain fee?  I think a 24 year old costing £60-80m will expect to play most if not all the big matches and I can't imagine playing 4 forwards against the very best teams. 

You could argue his age and potential presents a similar situation to that of Keita, the difference being there is an obvious vacancy in midfield for someone to really cement their place in the team. The current front 3 have their positions sewn up. 

 

Firmino doesn’t play as a forward in that formation. He’ll be playing where people expected Fekir to play if he had signed. Pepe would easily get 25-30 games between that formation against the dross and rotation/cover for injuries. 

 

City quite often have Mahrez, Sane and Gabriel De Jesus on the bench and that is what we have to compete with. We’re never going to be able to fully match what they spend but we need to get closer to them in terms of squad depth, and the area of the squad we are lightest is our front three. 

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1 hour ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

This. A million times this.

 

Why are people so hung up on making formations that have to include all of our big-money players? Sure, you don't want a £60m signing as third-choice in their position, but having 4 versatile players for 3 positions is a GOOD thing.

 

Klopp could keep the rhythm of the last few seasons going at first with Mane - Firmino - Salah and Pepe coming off the bench. Then once Pepe is up to speed he could use him to give Mane a rest and play Pepe - Firmino - Salah. Or if Bobby picked up an injury we're ready to go without dropping off a level, just play Mane - Salah - Pepe.

 

You get the idea. There is no way we're going to get as lucky as we did last season again and go through the whole year without a single lengthy injury to any of the front 3. All four of those players are capable of playing at least 2 positions up front and that means that they will all get over 2500 minutes in the league if fit. Probably over 3000 minutes each.

 

Brewster and Shaqiri are fine, but they are fine in the sense that you want them playing cups, used here and there to rotate the main players in and out of the lineup, that sort of thing. Not fine as in "if Bobby or Mo gets injured we can go 3 months with Brewster as our starting striker and still hope to win the league" fine. Pepe is a level above that, or at least we hope.

I am hoping we take the other competitions more seriously next season, so with the League Cup, FA Cup, World Cup , Super Cup and Charity Shield added to the main two, that could be around about 70 games next season.

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10 minutes ago, Moo said:

But don't you think Shaqiri is a bit of a journeyman who we wouldn't have signed if not for the bargain fee?  I think a 24 year old costing £60-80m will expect to play most if not all the big matches and I can't imagine playing 4 forwards against the very best teams. 

You could argue his age and potential presents a similar situation to that of Keita, the difference being there is an obvious vacancy in midfield for someone to really cement their place in the team. The current front 3 have their positions sewn up. 

We need to think a lot bigger than this. 

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2 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

Firmino doesn’t play as a forward in that formation. He’ll be playing where people expected Fekir to play if he had signed. Pepe would easily get 25-30 games between that formation against the dross and rotation/cover for injuries. 

 

City quite often have Mahrez, Sane and Gabriel De Jesus on the bench and that is what we have to compete with. We’re never going to be able to fully match what they spend but we need to get closer to them in terms of squad depth, and the area of the squad we are lightest is our front three. 

If we can afford that luxury and Klopp can pursuade Pepe to join on the basis he's coming for rotation/cover and to play against the dross then fair play. 

I've no doubt Klopp is easily as pursuasive as Guardiola, if not more so, but I don't think we can offer the same level of wages as City which is clearly an added incentive for players. 

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