The Best A Man Can Be

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Nobody in the west is a victim BECAUSE they are white, heterosexual or male. That's the point. 

I don't think that was the point, which is why you didn't mention it and went on about heterosexuality, etc. But okay, I agree that people in the west aren't a victim because they're white. That's not all that relevant to what was being said. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

31 minutes ago, Hades said:

You're acting like a hysterical, emotional woman. Either rape is extraordinarily bad, in which case no women would be promiscuous, or it's not as bad as some women claim, given their propensity to invite the risk into their life.

That's just horrible and I expect you'll look back on this view with shame.

[s(k)aturation]

He may have changed his internet persona again by then.

[Section_31]

36 minutes ago, Hades said:

You're acting like a hysterical, emotional woman. Either rape is extraordinarily bad, in which case no women would be promiscuous, or it's not as bad as some women claim, given their propensity to invite the risk into their life. Learn to separate an argument from a person. I happen to think rape is horrific, which is why taking the risk that women do, makes little sense for me. You may find the answer about who does the raping being significant to  women to be troubling to your worldview.

What risks are they then? Going out?

 

You need to get an allotment you mate, and/or a small dog.

[Hades]

4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

That's just horrible and I expect you'll look back on this view with shame.

Are you a woman too? Expressing a hypothetical is not the same as stating an opinion, which I did later in the post. Isn't it time for your flounce?

[magicrat]

38 minutes ago, Hades said:

You're acting like a hysterical, emotional woman. Either rape is extraordinarily bad, in which case no women would be promiscuous, or it's not as bad as some women claim, given their propensity to invite the risk into their life. Learn to separate an argument from a person. I happen to think rape is horrific, which is why taking the risk that women do, makes little sense for me. You may find the answer about who does the raping being significant to  women to be troubling to your worldview.

To paraphrase you argue women that dress in certain ways invite assault. You call it risk but to hell with the semantics I think that point has been made for years and roundly dismissed by courts and the majority of public opinion. Just accept rape is a horrendous crime and stop trying to resurrect long lost arguments to mitigate it.

[Rico1304]

5 minutes ago, Hades said:

Are you a woman too? Expressing a hypothetical is not the same as stating an opinion, which I did later in the post. Isn't it time for your flounce?

Ha ha it’s long overdue. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

20 minutes ago, Hades said:

Are you a woman too? Expressing a hypothetical is not the same as stating an opinion, which I did later in the post. Isn't it time for your flounce?

Flounce? What flounce? This seems to be some bizarre fallacy about me flouncing. Weird racist, sexist cunt. 

[Dave D]

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[Section_31]

One of my bugbears with debates like this is that our culture hasn't just evolved by accident, it's been crafted that way. 

 

Sex sells, so advertising sexualises things. The lads' mag explosion, the sexualisation of pop videos, the glorification of good looking people, the ready availability of porn. 

 

It's created a culture where the be-all and end-all of a man's masculinity is the ability to 'pull'. It's given women, especially attractive women, a LOT of power in certain situations, whether it's dating or office politics. That in itself has created a lot of bitterness among men like Hades who for whatever reason, find themselves on the outside of this party looking in.

 

Then when boorish behaviour starts to get called out, the responsibility is laid firmly at the feet of male culture, as though it evolved in isolation. What next, chastising people for being consumers? 

 

It's like when you go to the supermarket now and get guilt tripped about buying a plastic bag because it's killed a few sperm whales. I never asked for the supermarkets to make fucking plastic bags or dole them out en mass over the period of 40 fucking years. Yeah it's my fault, I killed the fucking whales. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

44 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I don't think that was the point, which is why you didn't mention it and went on about heterosexuality, etc. But okay, I agree that people in the west aren't a victim because they're white. That's not all that relevant to what was being said. 

What was said, by Hades, is that Western women are in no way oppressed.

 

This, presumably, means that they all get fairly paid, have all their specific medical needs fully met, have equal chances of progressing to senior roles in their careers, get equal treatment under the judicial system, only take on half the workload in the home and an equal share of child-rearing responsibilities, that they don’t bear the majority of domestic abuse and that any women who are raped or sexually assaulted probably secretly want it.

 

According to Hades (or whichever far-right weirdoes he has whispering in his ear these days) anybody who denies the existence of that egalitarian nirvana is a cunt.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Glad I use Wilkinson Sword.

[s(k)aturation]

18 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Glad I use Wilkinson Sword.

Perhaps Wilkinson can change its name to "Pork" in an advertising counter-offensive.

[cloggypop]

Obviously I haven't seen the advert and hope I never do but for me it's probably a straight choice between an advertising agency trying to change the world for the better or doing a bit of market research and finding out that most male razor blades are actually bought during a weekly shop by their birds. 

[s(k)aturation]

It's most likely an advertising agency trying to win awards. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

To be honest, I'm fine with it being somewhat cynical. One of the biggest problems in fixing the flaws of our society has been the compartmentalisation of altruism and general goodness. Being a cunt but having a standing order to help sad looking donkeys is all too common; see also "Sunday Christians". 

 

Films that are obvious Oscar bait with a moralistic message, ads attempting social responsibility, protest songs that make their record companies money, it all goes to the greater good. I don't like being lectured, but if things like this can inject even an ounce of humanity into the fabric of solipsism and narcissism that surrounds us in our everyday media then I'm happy to let a coke-fueled ad company high-five one another.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

You need to get an allotment you mate, and/or a small dog.

In fairness, that's preferable to what I suggested he get.

 

(I've calmed down a bit now.)

[moof]

3 hours ago, Hades said:

You're acting like a hysterical, emotional woman. Either rape is extraordinarily bad, in which case no women would be promiscuous, or it's not as bad as some women claim, given their propensity to invite the risk into their life. Learn to separate an argument from a person. I happen to think rape is horrific, which is why taking the risk that women do, makes little sense for me. You may find the answer about who does the raping being significant to  women to be troubling to your worldview.

You sad, pathetic little man 

[Hades]

4 minutes ago, moof said:

You sad, pathetic little man 

Shrieking little harpy. 

[Tony Moanero]

Anyway, Gillette is turd. Products are a bloody rip-off. Get about two shaves maximum per blade before they are blunt.

 

[Section_31]

I use an electric beard trimmer for what it's worth. I like to keep that stubble real short and tidy.

[Dr Nowt]

Tell you what Desperate Dan never had. Neck tattoos and whatever the fuck 'a mandala' is on his hands.

 

Went out for breakfast the other day and the lad who came over to serve us had both the above, obviously, his shirt open to the belly with various unintelligible guff and symbols scrawled all over his torso, a gold ring through his septum, a pair of black brogues without socks on and trousers barely longer than Colin Pascoe's finest.

 

Bet he's never relentlessly put the hard word on a legless slag who secretly wanted it or she'd have stayed home where the menfolk couldn't get at her, the effete little queef.

[Dr Nowt]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I use an electric beard trimmer for what it's worth. I like to keep that stubble real short and tidy.

The only way to do it.

[Rico1304]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

One of my bugbears with debates like this is that our culture hasn't just evolved by accident, it's been crafted that way. 

 

Sex sells, so advertising sexualises things. The lads' mag explosion, the sexualisation of pop videos, the glorification of good looking people, the ready availability of porn. 

 

It's created a culture where the be-all and end-all of a man's masculinity is the ability to 'pull'. It's given women, especially attractive women, a LOT of power in certain situations, whether it's dating or office politics. That in itself has created a lot of bitterness among men like Hades who for whatever reason, find themselves on the outside of this party looking in.

 

Then when boorish behaviour starts to get called out, the responsibility is laid firmly at the feet of male culture, as though it evolved in isolation. What next, chastising people for being consumers? 

 

It's like when you go to the supermarket now and get guilt tripped about buying a plastic bag because it's killed a few sperm whales. I never asked for the supermarkets to make fucking plastic bags or dole them out en mass over the period of 40 fucking years. Yeah it's my fault, I killed the fucking whales. 

I’ve fucked a few in my time.  Not as many as Col though. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

24 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I use an electric beard trimmer for what it's worth. I like to keep that stubble real short and tidy.

Maybe Remington can get in on this act.

 

"So good, I bought the company... then pinched a secretary's arse."