Would you take Coutinho Back?

[El Dangerous]

I like to mix up my long term sick holidays from work with physical and mental sickness as well. Keeps HR on their toes.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Redder Lurtz said:

Rod Jane and Freddie 

Mary,Mungo and Midge.

[aRdja]

It’d require a change in formation permanently for it to make sense; 4-2-3-1.

 

RW - Mane

LW - Coutinho

AM - Firmino

ST - Salah

[VladimirIlyich]

I certainly wouldn't take Coutinho's back. Been causing him all kinds of grief you know.

[The Guest]

He’s not coming back because we wouldn’t give them half the money they gave us for him. For 40-50m I think we would though.  I think any club would be daft to offer 100m for him which is what you would expect they would want.

 

He was flying in his final year or so here because of Klopp’s tactics, man management and his familiarity with the team and atmosphere/fans.  If another team signed him they would experience the same problems Barca are.  He is one of those awkward number 10 type players that the best teams in the game have generally moved away from.  The problem will be where do you play him?  I think Klopp would work him back into the midfield and we would be better for it but it’s just not worth the money they would want. He might be Torres’d for all we know.

[aRdja]

13 minutes ago, The Guest said:

He’s not coming back because we wouldn’t give them half the money they gave us for him. For 40-50m I think we would though.  I think any club would be daft to offer 100m for him which is what you would expect they would want.

 

He was flying in his final year or so here because of Klopp’s tactics, man management and his familiarity with the team and atmosphere/fans.  If another team signed him they would experience the same problems Barca are.  He is one of those awkward number 10 type players that the best teams in the game have generally moved away from.  The problem will be where do you play him?  I think Klopp would work him back into the midfield and we would be better for it but it’s just not worth the money they would want. He might be Torres’d for all we know.

His best position; AML. Switch Mane to the right and Salah upfront with Bobby playing the no 10 role behind Salah,

[The Guest]

2 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

His best position; AML. Switch Mane to the right and Salah upfront with Bobby playing the no 10 role behind Salah,

Bobby’s been garbage in that role and it hampers Salah.  Mané could play anywhere though.  I think Fabinho in a midfield 2 works great as well.

[Jairzinho]

8 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

His best position; AML. Switch Mane to the right and Salah upfront with Bobby playing the no 10 role behind Salah,

This would involve all four players not playing in their best position. Doesn't seem a particularly good idea.

[aRdja]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

This would involve all four players not playing in their best position. Doesn't seem a particularly good idea.

On the contrary.

1. Bobby is a natural no 10.

2. Mane is as good on the right as he is on the left. Take your mind back to his first season with us.

3. Coutinho is and has always been best played on the left. He’s a sub-standard CM.

4. I’m willing to concede with Salah, but he did excel playing mostly upfront in the first half of this season.

[TheHowieLama]

Firmino is a natural 10 but Coutinho isn't -- yea, ok. Close thread.

[aRdja]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Firmino is a natural 10 but Coutinho isn't -- yea, ok. Close thread.

That’s correct.

[VladimirIlyich]

10 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

On the contrary.

1. Bobby is a natural no 10.

2. Mane is as good on the right as he is on the left. Take your mind back to his first season with us.

3. Coutinho is and has always been best played on the left. He’s a sub-standard CM.

4. I’m willing to concede with Salah, but he did excel playing mostly upfront in the first half of this season.

Your choice of trainies is seeping into your football threads.

[aRdja]

6 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Your choice of trainies is seeping into your football threads.

I don’t think you can factually refute any of the above points. 

[VladimirIlyich]

Just now, viRdjil said:

I don’t think you can factually refute any of the above points. 

I could,but I can't be arsed.

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I don’t think you can factually refute any of the above points. 

Other than being your opinion you cant support any of them either

[aRdja]

6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Other than being your opinion you cant support any of them either

All of those are backed by stats Howie e.g., prior to his conversion into a false 9, Bobby played mostly in that half space behind the striker. I’m sure I’ve posted the transfermarkt link before.

[TheHowieLama]

Firmino does not have a single assist this year playing in the hole. Not one. He does however have a bunch playing as the CF.

Every discussion on here has centered how he is not nearly as effective playing there, and that the team is not as good.

 

I understand that you have posted similar malarkey before. 

[aRdja]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Firmino does not have a single assist this year playing in the hole. Not one. He does however have a bunch playing as the CF.

Every discussion on here has centered how he is not nearly as effective playing there, and that the team is not as good.

 

I understand that you have posted similar malarkey before.

That’s not right. He scored 6 goals and made 2 assists, from the 13 games he played behind Salah this season.

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roberto-firmino/leistungsdaten/spieler/131789

 

 

[Aventus]

Wasn't most of the money they were supposed to pay us through performance addons anyway? So no matter what we'd be losing money if he's sold. Would we be better off just buying him ourselves? 

[TheHowieLama]

5 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

That’s not right. He scored 6 goals and made 2 assists, from the 13 games he played behind Salah this season.

 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roberto-firmino/leistungsdaten/spieler/131789

 

 

You have an issue pal -- whoscored does not agree with you. I am worried that you have been using un true facts.

 

Certainly any statto worth his salt knows that is the bible. 

[Anubis]

They probably still owe us about £90m so just put him in an Amazon box with some bubble wrap, and send him back.

[3 Stacks]

Remember when Mane couldn't play left wing? What a dumb debate that was. 

[3 Stacks]

Also, no one cares about "natural positions". From this moment forward, I promise on the name of everyone I hold dear to neg anyone who brings this "topic" up. Players evolve and change positions all the time. 

[Anubis]

I think Coutinho’s natural position is cutting in from the left.

[TheHowieLama]

He is a modern Left sided midfielder. Or an old fashioned Inside Left. Its a toss up.

 

You have to understand aRdja has to keep track of:

 

AML's

Attacking Mids

Number 10's

Second Strikers

Proper Number 9's

AMC's

Number 8's

CM's

False 9's

Deep Lying Playmakers

DM's

Anyone/Everyone playing on the right side getting forward

 

 

There is VERY little chance that the same player could succeed in more than one of these very specialized roles.